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Warren Togami May 9
Replying to @morcosa @MrHodl and 4 others
Crazy ideas are ok. I'm personally uncomfortable with certain past ethical positions like an amoral stance where he asserted ICO's should be easier because open source devs can't get funding? That I saw echo in this episode. It was enough for me to unfollow a few years ago.
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Jeremy Rubin May 9
Replying to @wtogami @morcosa and 4 others
You can evaluate if that suggestion is a moral lapse by reviewing the talk in question
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Warren Togami May 9
You were ambiguous in that talk suggesting you were playing devil's advocate but I was especially disappointed when you doubled down at a subsequent dinner reception. I recognize you do some good work. We just have differing views on ethics. I just choose to opt out.
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Jeremy Rubin May 9
Replying to @wtogami @morcosa and 4 others
I strongly suspect you didn't watch the talk and have a memory colored by strong emotional reactions and jet lag. If you care -- which you don't have to -- rewatch the talk. It's fairly balanced.
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Ruben Somsen ⚡️🇳🅾️2️⃣❎ May 9
I just watched it and you seemed quite favorable towards ICOs. To me, the issue is that the market values scams more than real projects, which ruins sane price discovery in favor of marketing pumps. The only ethical solution is simply not to issue a token.
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Jeremy Rubin May 9
ICO isn't inherently evil and my talk is not incompatible with 's. What my talk is saying is that if you're going to do it, don't comprise the quality of the software you're producing and don't mislead people. That's why the tokens are perfunctory.
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Jeremy Rubin May 9
If we can come up with better ways to support OSS that would be even better.
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Warren Togami May 9
I found that part to be the most ridiculous. I built the Fedora community and merged into Red Hat engineering. Good ideas with consistent hard work have had success raising donations for FOSS and traditional market fundraising for decades. Failure to raise backing is on oneself.
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Warren Togami May 9
After Red Hat and during grad school ~2011 I raised meager donations to supplement my ramen noodle survival diet for my continued work on K12 educational Linux, stuff I did originally in 2001 prior to Fedora. 2012 raised donations to support a small team working on CyanogenMod.
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Jeremy Rubin May 9
I'm sorry to hear that -- I wish society had provided more for you when you endeavored to release something to the commons like that so you could eat more than ramen. In general more funding would increase open source participation and inclusion.
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Warren Togami
Open Source is not magically entitled to funding. Advocating for ICO's as a "solution" when one can't get funding by more legitimate means suggests something else is wrong. Plenty of people are hired to work on OSS, plenty others supported by donations. Sorry this seems whiney.
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Warren Togami May 9
I thought this years ago and previously decided to just quietly unfollow. Now you repeatedly defend these ethically suspect positions so I felt the need to air my thoughts.
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Dieter Engel 🍯🦡⚡️ May 9
If you thought they were just “Ethically suspect” I think you wouldn’t have as strong a reaction. I understand you feel they are all scams. I certainly won’t say none are scams. But it is at least in theory possible to have a cryptocurrency that is not a scam.
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