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Vince Horn ☸️🧙‍♂️ 19 h
Odgovor korisniku/ci @VincentHorn
Goddamnit, can't you see that reality isn't fucking flat!?
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Vince Horn ☸️🧙‍♂️ 19 h
Reactionary metamodernist.
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Vince Horn ☸️🧙‍♂️ 20 h
Well, let's say natural Holarchy instead... More accurate.
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Vince Horn ☸️🧙‍♂️ 20 h
If is talking about emergence and evolution, I guess I haven't seen much of that from him. I've mostly observed reactionary post-modernist thinking. Richard, do you hold a view that acknowledges the natural heirarchy of evolutionary forms?
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Vince Horn ☸️🧙‍♂️ 20 h
Yes, we're talking about the same thing.
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Vince Horn ☸️🧙‍♂️ 2. velj
Odgovor korisniku/ci @VincentHorn
That this cultural evolutions rests stop the biosphere is one of the most important things I can think of to keep in mind. If we debase ourselves, there's no reason to think that this human experiment in evolution won't come to an abrupt halt (or stall out significantly).
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Vince Horn ☸️🧙‍♂️ 2. velj
Odgovor korisniku/ci @VincentHorn
Also, human cultural evolution is happening at a much faster time rate than either physical or biological evolution, on the scale of hundreds or thousands of years, instead of millions or billions.
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Vince Horn ☸️🧙‍♂️ 2. velj
Odgovor korisniku/ci @VincentHorn
The challenge is in fluidly zoom between timescales when thinking about this, realizing that in the short-to-medium term there is progress and regression, lines and circles, but in the long-term there is "revolution with change" (John Vervaeke), or spiralling evolution.
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Vince Horn ☸️🧙‍♂️ 2. velj
Odgovor korisniku/ci @VincentHorn
I don't think it's much of a leap to suggest that the same physical and biological evolution that we've witnessed with our scientific methods of observation/analysis, are also happening with human culture, spirituality, economics, etc.
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Vince Horn ☸️🧙‍♂️ 2. velj
Odgovor korisniku/ci @VincentHorn
Here's an evolutionary vision that I'd propose is more true than either of these models: New physical & biological forms have emerged over time (atoms, cells, complex multi-cellular organisms) and have become a relatively stable foundation upon which further emergence occurs.
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Vince Horn ☸️🧙‍♂️ 2. velj
Odgovor korisniku/ci @VincentHorn
The truth I find in the linear model is that history isn't just a constant Groundhog Day scenario, but there is real change happening, and that some of this change can be seen as relative progress, at least across multiple fronts.
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Vince Horn ☸️🧙‍♂️ 2. velj
Odgovor korisniku/ci @VincentHorn
Another truth I find in this circular vision of history is that we have lost important truths from the past, that need recovering. This is why I've been learning to garden from my Elders, and why I've studied several religious traditions in-depth.
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Vince Horn ☸️🧙‍♂️ 2. velj
Odgovor korisniku/ci @VincentHorn
This post-modern flatland loop comes on the heels of the deconstruction & dismantling of grand narratives, especially the modern narrative of endless progress & growth. Important truth: Endless progress/growth is what got us into this ecological crisis!
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Vince Horn ☸️🧙‍♂️ 2. velj
A lot of post-modern thought is stuck in a flatland vision of history as endlessly cycling, going nowhere in particular. The Buddhists tried that too, although they had 6 realms to cycle through, and a clear goal (escaping the loop).
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Vince Horn ☸️🧙‍♂️ 2. velj
Odgovor korisniku/ci @RichDecibels @themarcusnewton
...IMO the view that humans don't evolve, and that we just keep struggling with the same exact types of challenges doesn't seem like an adequate story for addressing the multiple overlapping crises our species faces. Not does linear progress, which largely got us into this mess.
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Vince Horn ☸️🧙‍♂️ 2. velj
Odgovor korisniku/ci @RichDecibels @themarcusnewton
Fair enough. I'm offering this challenge because I'm interested in what lies beyond either a circular (endlessly looping) or linear (endlessly progressing) narrative of time...
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Vince Horn ☸️🧙‍♂️ 2. velj
Odgovor korisniku/ci @RichDecibels @themarcusnewton
Saying what it's not is not saying what it is.
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Vince Horn ☸️🧙‍♂️ 2. velj
Odgovor korisniku/ci @RichDecibels @themarcusnewton
Right, so if it isn't a linear vision, is it cyclical one? Or is it something else?
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Vince Horn ☸️🧙‍♂️ 2. velj
Odgovor korisniku/ci @RichDecibels @themarcusnewton
I'm responding to your summary of it, not the source, so maybe you should summarize better?
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Vince Horn ☸️🧙‍♂️ 2. velj
Hindus and Buddhists already tried out this endless cyclical existence mythos--samsara. Problem is it doesn't account for evolutionary theory, which is adaptive change, or "revolution with change," as puts it.
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