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Tom Scocca May 2
Replying to @tomscocca
The Democrats would rather abandon the basic principles of law and government than take the political risk of getting into a real fight with an incompetent, weak-willed, and incredibly unpopular president and the corrupt and likewise unpopular party that's propping him up
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Eric Goldman May 2
Replying to @tomscocca
I guess I don’t understand how a doomed impeachment trial helps preserve the rule of law if it fails to remove Trump from office? And what if that (unpopular) trial backfires and re-elects Trump for another four years? Seems bad.
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Roderic Day May 2
Replying to @tomscocca
I cannot for the life of me understand why a smart guy like you frames it like this. These people aren't "cowardly", they're getting fucking paid, they're doing their job.
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Tom Scocca May 2
Replying to @ericlawgoldman
If Trump isn't impeached, the rule of law has failed without even being tried. Voting out a corrupt, abusive, and demented president after a full term (if he's even successfully voted out) just clears the way for a future corrupt, abusive, and clear-headed president.
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Tom Scocca May 2
Replying to @ericlawgoldman
And the idea that a trial is going to help Trump seems like anti-wishful thinking. His approval rating doesn't go up under pressure; all that happens is his remaining supporters get more fanatical.
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Eric Goldman May 2
Replying to @tomscocca
I mean polling indicates impeachment is unpopular, which also tracks with outcome from the last time a president was impeached. Seems like a risk not worth taking when both you and I know he isn’t going to be removed from office.
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Eric Goldman May 2
Replying to @tomscocca
No argument that there is a crisis of rule of law, but how does a symbolic impeachment trial that fails to remove the president in anyway dissuade the next Trump?
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Tom Scocca May 2
Replying to @ericlawgoldman
It's not symbolic! It's the actual procedure! If they can't hold a trial, it's everything else that's symbolic.
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Eric Goldman May 2
Replying to @tomscocca
I think we are parsing the semantics of symbolism. If Democrats move to impeach, what is the best case but realistic outcome you hope for?
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thebubblebitch May 2
The bullshit polling argument would be much more convincing if Democrats did literally anything that polls well with their base or the American public.
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a foog May 2
Replying to @tomscocca
"You see, elections in this country, especially lately, are such a clear and incontrovertible expression of the pure will of the electorate, that the crazies, each and every single bugfuck one of them, will simply acquiesce and accept the results without a fuss."
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the Hoff May 2
Replying to @tomscocca
It's basically the same party that managed to lose an election against this boob, so...
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The Woman's Side of The Vehicle May 2
Replying to @tomscocca
They've been training to avoid this fight their whole lives!
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Jason Linkins May 2
it could be that in twenty years time, today's nervousness over impeachment is going to seem very quaint as impeachment becomes the tool the Senate uses to remove any Democratic president from office
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serotonin.exe has stopped responding May 3
Polling doesn’t get to indicate if we should follow the law. This whole thing is assanine, impeach him and if he survives then we can weed out the criminally complicit and hunt them down.
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