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Tom Verrilli
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Oh God I feel this in my bones twitter.com/__apf__/status…
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Tom Verrilli
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Tom Verrilli
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You and me both!
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Tom Verrilli
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I do, but worry that you might get an anti signal if someone does a bad job before they've been mentored or trained a little.
@stevemz was proposing a structured hackathon as a type of try out which I like!
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Tom Verrilli
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Oh interesting. I suspect the instructive bit is how a person identified and explained the problem vs what was possible to build for 500.
But I think helping parallel track candidates to build something is interesting
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Tom Verrilli
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31. sij |
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Which is insane when we essentially give PMs a $5M operating budget (10 colleagues to direct) and untold potential impact on customers
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Tom Verrilli
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31. sij |
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Makes total sense (@kwchang said very similar).
twitter.com/tdrobbo/status…
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Tom Verrilli
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31. sij |
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I guess it just feels like the prize for getting a bit better at this is huge
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Tom Verrilli
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I think the cost of being wrong here is very correct! We over index on the only signal we can get.
But PM can be a different job co to co so that signal is so often wrong and it means we're eternally recruiting PMs out of each other's companies at great cost
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Tom Verrilli
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31. sij |
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I believe that, If we agree the strike out rate on prior PM hires is still pretty high, given culture differs so much co to co, if love to see someone experiment here
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Tom Verrilli
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31. sij |
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Is that true? Most big co's have an APM program. So it can be taught to noobs.
Flip side: if it massively opened up the candidate pool, surely that's economical to build?
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Tom Verrilli
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31. sij |
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Aaaand now I'm jealous of you being back in start up land
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Tom Verrilli
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I think people might self select for fear of that. But it's totally a mechanical thing that can be taught
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Tom Verrilli
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31. sij |
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Tale as old as time.
There's definitely something wrong with "has been PM, has read The Hard Thing" ✔️
And we're definitely missing out on talent by limiting ourselves. Maybe the answer is "start hiring more broadly and we'll calibrate on how to judge?
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Tom Verrilli
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31. sij |
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You're totally right and maybe "it's so hard to interview" is the real answer.
Consulting seems to interview for raw intelligence / problem solving (I won't start on the flaws of that) and then are just willing to move on folks who fail quickly. Not sure we can replicate?
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Tom Verrilli
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31. sij |
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Neither feels like you need prior experience?
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Tom Verrilli
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31. sij |
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Honestly, I don't know. But two traits of olks who almost always do well with me in interviews:
1) show me you care about customers problems by how you seek to understand mine / the teams / our customers in the interview
2) A history of improbably getting things done
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Tom Verrilli
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31. sij |
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Mostly lucky us, let's be honest 😂
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Tom Verrilli
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31. sij |
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I'm sure there is a chunk of truth to that. But the idea of hiring someone you know personally vs using transparent criteria also feels like a massive privilege issue...
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Tom Verrilli
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31. sij |
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Superb! I'll fire off a DM between you both.
And I agree! pic.twitter.com/DbSC4s4u2b
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