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Sarah Mei Dec 13
Replying to @sarahmei
That was precisely the sticking point, I think - my assumption that everyone who uses exclusionary language is aware of it.
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Sarah Mei Dec 13
Replying to @sarahmei
I guess I’m luckier than I thought to be around thoughtful folks who have dropped “master/slave” from their discussions database replication, & “craftsmanship” from their discussions of quality.
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Sarah Mei Dec 13
Replying to @sarahmei
But the key point, which I said over & over last night & nobody seemed to get, is that people who use exclusionary language in tech have the same negative impact, _whether or not they intend to exclude._ It’s the impact that ultimately matters. NOT the intentions.
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Sarah Mei Dec 13
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In my original tweet, I indicated that I thought the creator knew what DDD stood for, and left it anyway. That would constitute intentional exclusion. And people really couldn’t get past that. All they did was argue with me about intent.
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Sarah Mei Dec 13
Replying to @sarahmei
It’s an interesting statement on where we are as a community. We’ve got a loooooooooong way to go. Ultimately I decided my original tweet wasn’t helping, because it led people towards arguing about the wrong thing. I want us to focus on the impact. That’s why I deleted it.
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Sarah Mei Dec 13
Replying to @sarahmei
To be clear, I did NOT delete the thread because I changed my mind. This is still problematic, and it’s still hard to believe I’m the first to point it out.
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Sarah Mei Dec 13
Replying to @sarahmei
The tone-policing I got was still irrelevant and out of line. People from marginalized groups who notice exclusionary behavior are allowed to be angry about it. As an industry, we need to get more comfortable with their anger.
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Sarah Mei Dec 13
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If we require all members of marginalized groups to be calm when discussing their oppression, we will never make real progress.
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Sarah Mei Dec 13
Replying to @sarahmei
As members of majority groups, we have the responsibility to figure out what they’re trying to tell us with their anger, so we can work on it. It’s hard to do. But it’s important. Sadly I didn’t see any of that last night.
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Sarah Mei Dec 13
Replying to @sarahmei
I’m very disappointed. I really thought we were better at this. But oh well - it’s a new day! We can try again.
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Sarah Mei
Here’s my original tweet, which I deleted in favor of this thread.
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Sarah Mei Dec 13
Replying to @sarahmei
I’m still angry. Let’s be clear about that. The name is still exclusionary (and as majority group members, you don’t get to argue with that).
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Sarah Mei Dec 13
Replying to @sarahmei
Things that are completely irrelevant here include: * whether you personally thought of it * whether it personally bothers you * whether it personally bothers women who are involved in the concept
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Sarah Mei Dec 13
Replying to @sarahmei
When someone from a marginalized group tells you something is problematic, and is having a negative impact, you don’t fucking argue that the impact is too small to be relevant. (Which is what all of the above are saying.) You just don’t. Unless you’re an asshole.
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Sarah Mei Dec 13
Replying to @sarahmei
Y’all can fight this out amongst yourselves now. I’ve given you a valuable piece of information. The quality of the character of the community will determine what happens now. Based on responses so far, my money is on “nothing.” I’d love to be wrong.
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Sarah Mei Dec 13
Replying to @sarahmei
Also I’m amused at the number of “YOU ARE HURTING ME BY IMPLYING IT’S PORN” responses. Textbook gaslighting, fellas. That might have worked on me 10 years ago, but I’ve made a lot of progress since then. You, apparently, not so much.
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Myrddin, dude Dec 14
Replying to @sarahmei
This is an American-centric post if I ever saw one. DDD is a bra size only in the States. It's a tenuous connection if we consider the US lexicon alone, but worldwide this is a massive stretch.
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Sarah Mei Dec 14
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Jim Humelsine Dec 13
Replying to @sarahmei @ericevans0
Quite frankly the association didn't occur to me until I read it on this thread. I searched original book, and the acronym does not exist anywhere in it. However, I have seen it used in other Domain-Driven Design references.
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Eric Evans Dec 13
Replying to @jhumelsine @sarahmei
I never thought about an acronym at all. It came and it stuck. It never had any sexual connotation in our context. Actually, I've seen the acronym DDD used to represent a handful of other things, including a few software things.
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James Tryand #FBPE Dec 13
Replying to @sarahmei
This really couldn't be further from reality. I'm sorry that you've taken offense, where none was intended. But I feel that you're attempting to sully the name of a lovely and decent person.
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