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Samuel Moyn
"If the study of intellectual history is to have any ultimate justification, it is its capacity to rescue the legacy of the past in order to allow us to realize the potential of the future." -Martin Jay
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Kurt Fischer 15 Jun 18
Replying to @samuelmoyn
When the past speaks it always speaks as an oracle: only if you are an architect of the future and know the present will you understand it F.
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vanessa ogle 15 Jun 18
Replying to @samuelmoyn
How's this different from history as a whole (field)?
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Brad Simpson 16 Jun 18
Well the purpose of History as a whole is to furnish quotable bits that we can then tweet out to all of our friends. Or the pursuit of truth or something, yada, yada, yada.
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benjamin aldes wurgaft 16 Jun 18
I think that's a good question. Here Marty sets out a noble ideal for history in general, but not a special claim (at least, as Sam has quoted it) for intellectual history in particular. Even though we all know it is the best subfield of them all.
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vanessa ogle 16 Jun 18
Replying to @benwurgaft @samuelmoyn
Really? I honestly don’t care very much about you his and have no stakes here but...
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benjamin aldes wurgaft 16 Jun 18
Can you restate? I'm sure you could tell my last sentence was a joke.
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vanessa ogle 16 Jun 18
Replying to @benwurgaft @samuelmoyn
I didn’t know what you might mean or whether you were joking/ironic because i don’t do Jay exegesis;)
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benjamin aldes wurgaft 16 Jun 18
Neither do I. Marty was my teacher, not my text. But my main point was in agreement with yours - Marty's comment, as quoted by Sam, doesn't really make a special case for intellectual history as opposed to other types.
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vanessa ogle 16 Jun 18
Replying to @benwurgaft @samuelmoyn
It’s probably pretty safe to say you’ve read much more of his work than I have is what I meant, hope to change that soon
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benjamin aldes wurgaft 16 Jun 18
I wonder if you've read his essay "Mourning a Metaphor: The Revolution is Over"? If not, I'd recommend it.
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vanessa ogle 16 Jun 18
Replying to @benwurgaft @samuelmoyn
I will check it out. Is it anti-Koselleckian (or can be construed as such)? That would be particularly welcome (since the latter deals with Revolution quite a bit)
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davidrieff 16 Jun 18
Replying to @samuelmoyn
Amend that to ultimate PRACTICAL justification & this might be partially true. As written it’s moralizing nonsense.
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J.M. Barreto 16 Jun 18
As I told you some years ago, I think your "Last Utopia" does the opposite: It attemps to destroy the tradition of human rights and, in doing so, to sabotage the possibility they incarnate of advancing the struggle for global justice.
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Zohar Atkins 16 Jun 18
Replying to @samuelmoyn
Rescue from what?
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