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Jonn Elledge and so forth Jul 15
Replying to @JonnElledge
I have no proposed solution to this, but as a reader, a former commissioning editor AND someone who naively hopes to continue getting paid for writing, I feel very depressed.
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Jonn Elledge and so forth Jul 15
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This train of thought is the result of seeing different people saying "well, no wonder the Guardian is in trouble when they published X", but where X is a wide range of things, some of which contradict the other things.
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Jonn Elledge and so forth Jul 15
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This is a fair point, mind you. There are so many more publications on the right that readers can pick and choose a bit. On the left the Guardian, NS and Mirror have to be everything - and they can't.
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Jonn Elledge and so forth Jul 15
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And with that I'm going somewhere your tweets can't hurt me: the pub.
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Jonn Elledge and so forth Jul 17
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Adding one more thing to this thread, because apparently I hate both happiness and life itself:
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Jonn Elledge and so forth Jul 17
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A lot of the angrier responses to this seem to have taken it as Another Centrist Journalist On What's Wrong With The Left. It wasn't. It's not just the left who want ideological purity in their media. A lot of Blairites get just as furious when people publish left-wing writers.
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Owen Hatherley Jul 17
Replying to @JonnElledge
Jonn I know you mean well here but Jason Cowley literally went on here to call the Guardian 'Corbynite Pravda'. That's the editor of one of the two? three? surviving historic publications of the labour movement, here v broadly conceived
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Owen Hatherley Jul 17
Replying to @JonnElledge
I honestly can't think of anything that better describes the infantilism, sectarianism and simple stupidity that lies behind a lot of this ire
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Owen Hatherley Jul 17
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oddly enough, he also employed a journalist who became phenomenally popular with Corbynites not because he supported us - he didn't! as is clear as there's a leader he does support! - but simply because he reported on us accurately, for which we were pathetically grateful
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Owen Hatherley Jul 17
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Bush aside, you'll find quite a lot of liking for odd fish like Peters Oborne and Hitchens on the left for the same reason - not because they agree with us, but because they didn't treat us like shit on their shoe
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Owen Hatherley
I find the daily outrage on here really tiresome and frustrating but it really isn't about 'we want people to agree with us', it's about 'we want to be treated as a legitimate political force'
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Jonn Elledge and so forth Jul 17
That's fair. There's a great thread somewhere about how weird it is that the left aren't treated as legitimate political actors, and he's right and that's bad.
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Sebastian Crankshaw Jul 17
Thanks John, that acknowledgement in response to a good faith articulation of really good points to answer your question is nice to see.
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