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🧟‍♂️Sean •the grading ghoul• Anthony🧟‍♂️ Oct 10
Just read and really enjoyed Adam Silverstein's new article published in Der Islam, “Who are the Aṣḥāb al-Ukhdūd? Q 85:4‒10 in Near Eastern Context.”
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Michael Pregill
I’m super sympathetic to this argument, and haven’t read the piece yet, but something that nags at me here: this is one more of the few “solid” historical references in the Quran down the drain, right? So is there any stable context indicated by the Quran at all?
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Michael Pregill Oct 10
Replying to @shahanSean
I mean, that seems like an obvious objection/complaint, since we know the Nathan episode really happened and is not an invention of the exegetes?
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🧟‍♂️Sean •the grading ghoul• Anthony🧟‍♂️ Oct 10
Replying to @michael_pregill
Yes, that's the cost, but it's worth paying. Also it's usually cited alongside Abrahah's march of an elephant troop against Mecca, which IMHO is clearly *not* historical. That's the hazards of positivism for ya.
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Michael Pregill Oct 10
Replying to @shahanSean
Yeah, I thought about Abraha too, which is clearly the more tenuous of these two commonly paired episodes. I mean, I am the guy who says there is no actual authentic reference to late antique Samaritans in the Quran, so I’m obviously sympathetic.
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Michael Pregill Oct 10
Replying to @shahanSean
Although, as you also know, I am the guy who has recently argued about a rapprochement with positivism... damn, I should make up my mind.
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🧟‍♂️Sean •the grading ghoul• Anthony🧟‍♂️ Oct 10
Replying to @michael_pregill
We need positivist approaches and the questions they address. I think that one needs to be a positivist in a sense in order to get beyond positivism -- otherwise it's just unearned cynicism.
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Hugh Slaman Oct 10
Sorry to butt in! Yes, there had to be some stable context to the Quran. But since so much has been lost from the ancient past, our extant sources may not tell us what it was i.e. we may have to rely on hypothetical reconstructions of that stable context.
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