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Paper summary: "I'm not going to collect data for 30 years just to be scooped by some jerk w an R script" cell.com/trends/ecology… @EvansSre
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Andrew A. Farke
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1 Oct 15 |
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@mdshawkey @EvansSre Lots of hand-wringing over problems...but not a single shred of evidence that any negative effects actually happen!
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Matthew Shawkey
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1 Oct 15 |
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@AndyFarke @EvansSre It is really tough to collect long-term data sets, so letting the collectors decide what to do with them seems fair.
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Andrew A. Farke
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1 Oct 15 |
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@mdshawkey @EvansSre Yes, but I think many conflate "share data related to study" w/'share all data ever collected"
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Andrew A. Farke
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1 Oct 15 |
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@mdshawkey @EvansSre But I do agree w/article that some basic best practice guidelines are a good idea.
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Andrew A. Farke
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1 Oct 15 |
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@mdshawkey @EvansSre OTOH, I have seen enough abuses of "oh, I've got another study planned" (followed by years of nothing) to be annoyed
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Matthew Shawkey
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1 Oct 15 |
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@AndyFarke @EvansSre True. In those cases it seems like offering to collaborate may be a good approach.
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Matthew Shawkey
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1 Oct 15 |
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@AndyFarke @EvansSre With long term studies, these can be one and the same.
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Simon Evans
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1 Oct 15 |
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@mdshawkey It's a very one-sided take, as a survey report it's terrible, the downsides of archiving are exaggerated, source of funding is...
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Simon Evans
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1 Oct 15 |
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@mdshawkey …completely ignored.
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Simon Evans
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1 Oct 15 |
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.@mdshawkey I agree that there are issues – of course! – but is a hugely biased, self-serving conglomerate of PIs the best way to go?
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Simon Evans
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1 Oct 15 |
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@mdshawkey @andyfarke It's clearly very difficult. But all that time was paid for. By the public. Is it fair to keep it to yourself?
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Simon Evans
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1 Oct 15 |
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@mdshawkey @andyfarke In this sense, the comparison with big pharma was clumsy, unless PIs are willing to fund projects personally.
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Matthew Shawkey
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1 Oct 15 |
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.@EvansSre @AndyFarke As long as you publish, I'm not too concerned about the 0.05 cent (30 yr cumulative) in taxes the research cost me.
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Matthew Shawkey
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1 Oct 15 |
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.@EvansSre @AndyFarke I would bet more of my tax dollars went to development/marketing of Viagra than to all long term eco studies combined.
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David Steen, Ph.D.
@AlongsideWild
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1 Oct 15 |
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@mdshawkey @EvansSre @AndyFarke PIs aren't simply technicians to collect data for other people to use.
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Simon Evans
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1 Oct 15 |
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@alongsidewild @mdshawkey @andyfarke But it wouldn't be available until they've used it to publish something?
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Simon Evans
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1 Oct 15 |
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@mdshawkey @andyfarke There might be an argument that the development of viagra contributed more to society.
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David Steen, Ph.D.
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1 Oct 15 |
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@EvansSre @mdshawkey @AndyFarke To recommend otherwise would upend much of the incentive for being a scientist.
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Simon Evans
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1 Oct 15 |
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@alongsidewild @mdshawkey @andyfarke I'm not militantly pro-archiving. I thought the article presented arguments against archiving v poorly.
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