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Cathy O'Neil
To any academic working on algorithmic accountability whom I've offended with my NYTimes piece today: I know you're working hard, against the odds. I'm trying to make the point that you deserve *much more support*. The tech companies are absolutely more powerful than we are.
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Lenandlar Singh Nov 14
Replying to @mathbabedotorg
Perhaps it might be useful for this turn into an inventory of seminal and other interesting works in the area.
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Jeffrey Vagle Nov 14
Replying to @mathbabedotorg
(Factor in the fact that many of these companies control significant funding spigots for this sort of research)
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Dr Jo White Nov 14
Replying to @mathbabedotorg
I was offended. The piece was written with a pitchfork blaming the Academy for not leading investigation in this area, whereas the opposite is true.
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Casey Fiesler Nov 14
Replying to @mathbabedotorg
I understand that these kinds of things play better if they're sensationalized, but it did describe us (and academic departments that care enough to hire us) as "asleep at the wheel." :( More support always welcome though!
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Kristian Lum Nov 14
Replying to @mathbabedotorg
If you want to get the academics who work in this area *much more support*, perhaps downplaying the impact of their contributions / denying they even exist is not the best strategy.
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zeynep tufekci Nov 14
Replying to @mathbabedotorg
It's not about being offended! To get that *much more support* for this work, you need the correct analysis of *why* we don't have it. It's not because academics are "asleep at the wheel." We're deliberately attacked, defunded, blocked and pressured to stop us from critical work!
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Suresh Venkatasubramanian Nov 14
we already have such inventories. One such is at and there are (again) SO MANY others.
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Suresh Venkatasubramanian Nov 14
Replying to @mathbabedotorg
If that's the point you want to make, then maybe you should have made that point.
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Jacqueline Wernimont Nov 14
Replying to @zeynep @mathbabedotorg
this is absolutely right - C, you know so many of us are out here, see us at the same events, fight in meetings/panels to get the same points across. Why not highlight those robust efforts, often by women and POC rather than paint us all as unreflective academics chasing $??
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zeynep tufekci Nov 14
Replying to @mathbabedotorg
And despite the deliberate defunding, and that the data belongs to corporations that often don't like the criticism and the pressure, there is so much work—which you know! If you mean CS departments: say that *and* even there, we need a better framing of what's going on and why.
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Patrick McCray Nov 14
Replying to @mathbabedotorg
Thanks...this is what I hoped to hear. More support STS, hist of tech, et al. is needed and I hope you can use your voice and platform to call for it.
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Internet Ethics Nov 14
Replying to @mathbabedotorg
The last sentence of the piece really hurt that point.
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Eric Lohman Nov 14
Replying to @mathbabedotorg
The issue for media and technology scholars is that we have been expressing these concerns for a long time. But the worst is that we face a number of hurdles, not least of which is the fact that STEM academics continually fail to even notice that we've been on this issue forever.
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Lee Vinsel Nov 14
Replying to @mathbabedotorg
Sorry. You don't make that argument anywhere. Instead, your own Tweet claims, "and so far, academia is asleep at the wheel." It's offensive to lots of people who have been doing good work for decades. And it's just false.
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William McGeveran Nov 14
Replying to @mathbabedotorg
It would have been a lot better to think of that before writing it. Or to show a draft to, like, anybody who works in this field. They would have told you it reads the exact opposite way.
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Luigina Ciolfi Nov 14
Replying to @mathbabedotorg
It certainly doesn't read that way, but rather: "no one in academia works on this or cares"...Funny, I thought there was decades' worth of work (and counting) in HCI, science and technology studies, etc. exactly on these issues...
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Siva Vaidhyanathan🗽🤘🏽 Nov 14
I would add that too many in the humanities and social sciences ignore us because they don't think or care about tech. But that's another matter entirely.
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David Singerman Nov 14
I think many of us in STS are fans of yours + thus confused as to how you claimed we don't exist—especially since you've published !
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