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Marco Arment
I think there’s a significant chance of this happening this year. The OSes need more time, but holding back the hardware would be VERY expensive to them. Wouldn’t surprise me if new phones ship with 12.x and some of the marketed features get enabled ~1 month later with iOS 13.
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Steve Troughton-Smith Aug 8
Replying to @marcoarment
the beta 6 OSes are better than some release OSes we've had over the past few years. I don't think they would hold anything off, with a .1 going into beta days after 13.0 GM for any sw features that aren't quite 100%. Can't just backport driver support for new devices last minute
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Steve Troughton-Smith Aug 8
Replying to @marcoarment
the A13 devices are unlikely to ever have run iOS 12. You would have to backport everything and perform intensive bringup and testing in the next 3 weeks. No chance in hell that that would result in a more stable OS to ship
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Marco Arment Aug 8
Replying to @stroughtonsmith
Do you think, this far into this very mature platform, that the drivers and other hardware support for a likely-minor iPhone release would actually rely heavily on 13-specific APIs, etc.? (I honestly don’t know.)
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Steve Troughton-Smith Aug 8
Replying to @marcoarment
Yes; it's ARM, not a general-purpose computer. The kernels and firmware are device-specific; the OS builds are device-specific too. Getting Apple's build system alone ready for a new platform could take months for all I know
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Maksim Petriv Aug 8
Replying to @marcoarment
No way. If anything they will pull features out for a .1 update.
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Trick or Tim 🎃 Aug 8
Replying to @marcoarment
I don’t know what kind of buggy install you have, but it’s not as bad as you’re making out - and they’ve shipped way worse. There’s an icicle’s chance in hell the new iPhone won’t come with iOS 13.
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Brandon Miller Aug 8
Replying to @marcoarment
If they shipped the 5S with iOS 7, they’ll ship with iOS 13.
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Dexter Talbert Aug 8
Replying to @marcoarment
Perhaps y’all don’t remember iOS 7? Apple will release it regardless of what state it’s in.
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Buck Aug 8
Replying to @marcoarment
I don’t even understand why we need to have new iOS versions (major ones) every single year. It’s a rat race they are creating for themselves.
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Aniruddha Rajguru Aug 9
I love the way chrome gets updated. Minor updates every 6 weeks.
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W Bonnaud-Dowell Aug 8
Replying to @marcoarment
I think iOS 12 has made people forget how shakey betas were in previous years !
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JP Huwae Sep 4
Replying to @marcoarment
Nope, they just released Beta 2 of 13.1 Very stable after the mess that was Beta 1. They will push out iOS 13 out with the new iPhones. (Probably a more refined Beta 8) Then they’ll release iOS 13.1 about a week after that.
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Kraig Schmidt Aug 8
Replying to @marcoarment
This doesn’t seem like that big of a deal (shipping with 12.x). Wouldn’t it be a *good* thing to decouple the software and hardware cycles? It’s completely arbitrary anyway, isn’t it?
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Maynard Handley Aug 8
Retrofitting the OS proper may not be completely trivial. There will be things like new security mechanisms (think PAC) that will at least have to be disabled till the new OS. But SoC details are much worse...
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Maynard Handley Aug 8
Think of something like how the controller cores for the GPU, NPU, ISP, etc were changed on A12 from a vanilla ARMv7 core to Apple's Chinook ARMv8 core. All that code written to support those coprocessors was written in expectation of supporting OS behavior. Nasty to backport.
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Longhorn Aug 8
* on A11
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Sorin Cioban Aug 8
Replying to @marcoarment
I would say shipping a new device with iOS 12 would be more expensive considering that a lot of the new device features might not even be usable. How would that go: “Buy this $1500 device, best iPhone we ever made... ...but you won’t be able to enjoy it until later this fall.”
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Sorin Cioban Aug 8
Replying to @marcoarment
Remember how last year many folks didn’t upgrade because the XS was mostly the same phone as the X? Shipping a new device with last year’s OS would be a failure.
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