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Marco Arment
We don’t know that. It’s the *present*, for sure. But the rumors of that 16” MBP update are all still reporting a scissor-switch keyboard with 1mm travel, inverted-T arrows, and an Esc key next to the Touch Bar. I suspect, and hope, that’s still happening — just not yet.
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Greg Koenig May 21
Replying to @marcoarment
At this point, keyboard decisions on any machine shipping this year were made 12+ months ago. Apple has triangulated itself into a really shitty position. Even assuming all hands on deck to dev a new keyboard, still 12+ months with these
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Steve Tibbett May 21
Replying to @gak_pdx @marcoarment
They had a reliable keyboard that nobody hated. They don't need to design something new, just go back to what they had.
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Greg Koenig May 21
Replying to @stevex @marcoarment
It isn’t the keyboard- on modern MBPs, the package integration is so tight, they will need to re-design hundreds of components after the final dimensions of a working keyboard are determined and tested. The whole system needs to be requalified, and tooled up from scratch
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Steve Tibbett May 21
Replying to @gak_pdx @marcoarment
Is it just Apple not wanting to replace the tooling before they got the mileage they expected from it?
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Greg Koenig May 21
Replying to @stevex @marcoarment
Probably not. The warranty charges associated with all this, plus the reputation brand hit, swamp the re-tooling costs. It just takes a lot of time, and the engineering paths are all linear so hard to parallelize the work.
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Grzegorz Mikoś May 21
Replying to @marcoarment
They have already added this 4th gen keyboard to repair program. This looks like last breath of 2016 design.
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Dewald Reynecke May 21
Replying to @marcoarment
Today’s announcement certainly puts a damper on my hope for a whole new one at WWDC.
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Jon Purdy 박미남 May 21
Replying to @marcoarment
Still holding onto my maxed-out 2015 13" until this happens 🤞
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Daniel Fallman May 22
Replying to @marcoarment
Not unreasonable to suspect the 16.5” is being delayed while they figure out a better keyboard design. Apple don’t often admit mistakes, but that doesn’t mean they’re happy. Must be a rather expensive disaster for them with all the replacements plus, of course, all the bad will.
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Shameer Mulji May 22
Replying to @dfallman @marcoarment
Or maybe it’s delayed because they’re waiting for enough supplies of the right CPU?
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Daniel Fallman May 23
Or - as a shocker - this could be the first A-class laptop? That would be fun.
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Shameer Mulji May 23
Replying to @dfallman @marcoarment
Yes. That’s part of what I was implying.
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Nathan Lawrence 🌈 May 21
Replying to @marcoarment
"The future" is a long time.
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Jonathan May 21
Replying to @marcoarment
an on stage roll out is always substantial new form factor, you can press release a tweak to the current body while saving a new model for June
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Vitaly May 21
Replying to @marcoarment
No refresh for MacBook escape... I’m sad!
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Shameer Mulji May 22
Replying to @aparkar @marcoarment
Big possibility
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Étienne Girardin May 21
Replying to @marcoarment
Would that be the ARM MBP?
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E.J. Kalafarski May 21
Replying to @marcoarment
These keyboard expansions happening in the 16” make a lot more sense than Apple giving up the space gains they’ve gotten in the 13” and 15”.
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