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Diane Abbott Feb 23
Chairing a session on "underpaid and undervalued work". As a young woman at my first job in Woolworths, I was both underpaid and undervalued. We need to stand up for women workers in those sectors that are often denigrated. Low paid does not mean low skilled!
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Charlotte Atkinson Feb 23
This is such an important topic. The younger kids on the bfi academy with me were shocked to discover the starting wage for filmmakers was £18k. They looked genuinely horrified and some had to start rethinking their whole career plan
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peterboroughiron Feb 23
It’s not about people not valuing the arts it’s just horses for courses some jobs pay better than others and yes maybe tossing it off at uni learning how to make a camera work isn’t the wisest choice for every one we can’t all be film makers
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Charlotte Atkinson Feb 23
So you’re suggesting that people don’t become filmmakers unless they have a sizeable trust fund that they can use to pay the rent with? Good way to kill an industry I suppose
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peterboroughiron Feb 23
What has it got to go with trust funds I’m sure the industry won’t die true talent and genius will always rise trouble is now every one thinks it’s them Every one needs a plan b just going to uni doesn’t change that your industry is not being victimised
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Charlotte Atkinson Feb 23
Everyone who starts out in film, university degree or not, is working for free, for expenses or a very poor day rate. How do you expect those people to survive? How do they pay their rent? How do they afford food? They go broke, they quit, and the industry loses another person
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Hiran  Patel Feb 24
I went to university to develop an interest not a career. I had the luxury of not having to need to. My family aren't rich but just lived during times where it was still possible to start from virtually nothing and create decent opportunities for the next generation.
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Charlotte Atkinson
That’s a really interesting approach. I didn’t go to uni because I knew enough to get my career going and was terrified at even the prospect of £40k debt. Most teens I know went to uni with the sole aim of getting a good career out of it
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peterboroughiron Feb 24
You don’t need to your already wealthy try not to dress it up too much
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Charlotte Atkinson Feb 24
He’s working to improve things for everybody. He’s not sitting around counting his blessings, he’s working to help other people
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peterboroughiron Feb 24
Yep full circle £18000 should cover the basics 👍
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Hiran  Patel Feb 24
and that was the original point Charlotte was making. there will be young graduates who will calculate it's not worth it and do something else just so they can eat. the income generated by the creative activity is then lost to the local economy.
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Charlotte Atkinson Feb 24
And as so many people have pointed out, Hiran included, so few creatives actually make £18k/annum. How are they supposed to survive? It’s simple maths
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Charlotte Atkinson Feb 24
I’m really glad someone completely gets my point. It’s tough for teens and young grads as it is, without people hating on them for being in a situation they have almost no control over
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