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Andrew Kniss 🌱 30 Aug 18
Otherwise, why don't we all just sign a bunch of NDAs? Conflict of interest problems would be a thing of the past! Because COI apparently doesn't exist if we can't talk about it!
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Marc Brazeau 30 Aug 18
Kevin, what was the follow up conversation supposed to be? Would you have answered truthfully if Karl's question about "consulting for Bayer" had been more general and lawyerly? "Are you doing any paid work for Bayer or their agents?"
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Marc Brazeau 30 Aug 18
You aren't the victim this time around.
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Tamar Haspel 30 Aug 18
Transparency means not accepting work you can't be transparent about.
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Kevin Folta 30 Aug 18
It also means the NDA I just signed with a light company goes in the shredder because I can't speak with them without it. I cannot discuss my ideas with them without an NDA, they don't want to be disclosed as operating in hort light space. We need some confidentiality.
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Kavin Senapathy 30 Aug 18
Then, at the very least, don't "need some confidentiality" and simultaneously walk around like you're Mr. Transparency. It's not that hard of a concept to grasp.
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π•‹π•–π•œπ•‹π• π•Ÿπ•šπ•” 30 Aug 18
I love how trendy it's become to condescendingly throw around the phrase "it's not that hard of a concept to grasp". As though you possess perfect, unimpeachable perception and moral authority on how Kevin supposedly should be handling things.
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Jeff Fountain 30 Aug 18
I’m surprised many of you are getting hung up on whether this was a legitimate COI violation, when that’s not really the entirety of the issue. If we grant that it was, it only takes the minimum amount of charity to assume HE didn’t see it that way, even if he’s wrong. 1/5
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Jeff Fountain 30 Aug 18
To make it clearer, imagine if this was something that Karl suspected of Anastasia. Imagine Anastasia(even if she’s entirely wrong) believed that whatever she disclosed on her website was surely sufficient enough to quell any COI worries, but wouldn’t say more due to NDA. 2/5
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Marc Brazeau 30 Aug 18
The response wasn't "No, but there are issues I can't reveal due to an NDA". It was "NO, I'm not doing any consulting for Bayer". Not: "While not technically 'consulting', I'm doing paid work for Bayer that I can't discuss". As I asked before, what was the follow up supposed 2b?
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Kevin Folta
I was not doing consulting for Bayer. I told him that I was working in a private arbitration matter and was not free to discuss details under confidentiality. So he FOIA'd me , anonymously. The weasel.
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Marc Brazeau 30 Aug 18
That's not the story as I've come to understand it, and unfortunately, as far as I'm concerned, your credibility bucket is empty. You blew a lot with the Monsanto $25K deal and now it's really hard to grant your prevarications a charitable hearing at this point.
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Marc Brazeau 30 Aug 18
I'll bow out at this point. I've run interference for you in the FAFDL forum in blocking discussion of your personal life, and I don't have an ill will towards you, but I don't see this current conversation moving forward productively. We aren't going to change each others minds.
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