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Joshua B. Hoe
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JoshuaBHoe
Michigan, USA
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Policy Analyst @safeandjustmi, Host of "Decarceration Nation" podcast, Activist, Christian, formerly incarcerated, He/Him. Opinions my own, RT not endorsement
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Joshua B. Hoe
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People who lost Medicaid, people who don't qualify for section 8 now...etc. etc. etc.
To say if Bernie loses you sit out flips those folks the bird...we have, IMHO, an obligation to be responsible to our fellow travelers
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Joshua B. Hoe
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Sigh, sorry I would choose Biden over Pol Pot even though they share certain slight similarities...making everyone into Pol Pot is dishonest and inaccurate.
As I have said many times in the last hour, lives are on the line...I work with people who LOST food stamps b/c of 45
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Joshua B. Hoe
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I am saying that is incorrect, my "plan" is Bernie unless Bernie is not available....revolution unless I don't have that option...once that option is removed, do the least harm b/c the most ethical option
Your alternative is not competitive or ethical if Bernie is out of race
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Joshua B. Hoe
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Yeah, sorry, we see this differently, I will always choose to use my vote to do the least home...every choice has real life opportunity costs....I will not vote for Pete unless Pete is the best remaining option that would allow me to do the least harm with my vote
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Joshua B. Hoe
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Again, you have misread "my plan"
Which is making your whole strategy not really apply (side-note I coached for 20 years...and was a pretty okay debater myself back in the day)
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Joshua B. Hoe
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Sigh, with respect, I totally understand your point. Before this goes farther, I am pro-Bernie.
We were discussing the ethics of the future hypothetical if Bernie loses, I still believe you do the least harm with your vote
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Joshua B. Hoe
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and I really mean you no disrespect...I never said we shouldn't try for fundamental change...and I never said anyone shouldn't vote for Bernie...I am pro-Bernie
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Joshua B. Hoe
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On the other hand, being snarky, short, and dismissive with me isn't going to make the arguments stronger....I have no problems with you, I really do understand your arguments, but lecture away if you must
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Joshua B. Hoe
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I will always choose the least worst when people's suffering is on the line, my strategy is to do everything I can to cause fundamental change (I am, for the 100th time, PRO-BERNIE)....but if that is NO LONGER an option, I do the least harm
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Joshua B. Hoe
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but I am assuming, by your use of language, that you were or are a debater...so, no disrespect for that :)
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Joshua B. Hoe
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I was discussing a future hypothetical in which Bernie loses with a friend
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Joshua B. Hoe
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No I am not, and yes we do, you always have to err on the side of do less harm...if we all die in a month and I can help the most people possible enjoy that month, I help the most people possible
Also, I AM PRO-BERNIE not anti-Bernie
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Joshua B. Hoe
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Yeah, I gather that is the case...but I am explaining why I disagree...well, actually, I was discussing a difference of position with a friend, but whatever.
I don't agree with the ethics of that, and said so and explained why...I really did understand that was your position
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Joshua B. Hoe
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again, I disagree, if someone supports occupation and the other someone supports settlements...one is materially better than the other...or they both stink but one stinks less
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Joshua B. Hoe
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Of course, I think for some reason many people yelling at me think I am anti-Bernie, I am not
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Joshua B. Hoe
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and it doesn't change the formula, lets assume they were exactly the same on foreign policy (and I don't think that they are), but one was better domestically than the other..I would still try to do the least harm with my vote
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Joshua B. Hoe
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That is not true either, (others) would be much different than Trump on Palestine, he would not be yelling OLE and waving a cape to Israel over the settlements like 45 is....and the question is not who is best, it is who is better (if best is not available)
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Joshua B. Hoe
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Again, it doesn't matter, what matters is who does the least harm. I am pro-Bernie, this was a discussion about what to do if Bernie LOSES.
I am literally talking about a future hypothetical and suggesting that I feel I have a duty to use my vote to do the least harm
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Joshua B. Hoe
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Okay, you are a troll, don't listen, don't read, and have entirely missed the point....adios
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Joshua B. Hoe
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You jumped into a conversation, did not read the context, accused me of a bunch of things I didn't say and then was really snarky about it
Please either stop, or move on to troll someone else...or just agree to disagree...but please stop being rude
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