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John Dickson
There are two compelling reasons for Special Religious Education in schools: 1) Some religion or other profoundly shaped a child's culture, and should form part of their education; 2) Trained adherents are better equipped to teach a living Faith than are teachers in general.
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John Dickson Feb 11
Replying to @johnpauldickson
And I would welcome anyone who is willing to debate this issue with arguments.
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murray Feb 11
Replying to @johnpauldickson
When the Victorian Govt ditched opt-in SRE they replaced it with the compulsory 'Respectful Relationships' curriculum. They also provide general religious studies, which contains some interesting takes on various topics! Cf
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John Dickson Feb 11
Replying to @MurrayJCampbell
It's all so misguided!
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Lee B Feb 11
Replying to @johnpauldickson
It seems that you are pleading that religion is a special case, needing to be taught by adherents, unlike, say, Communism or Nihilism. We might counter that a practitioner is the *worst* possible choice for teaching *about* religion.
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💧Noel James Debien Feb 11
Replying to @johnpauldickson
Not sure about #2. I was once an REC who also assisted with SRE etc, and heard some bizarre stuff being conveyed by untrained but well meaning volunteers.
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John Dickson Feb 11
Replying to @debien_noel
I acknowledge there's some nuttiness out there. Thus I stressed "trained adherents". Cheers. I hope you're well, Noel.
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John Dickson Feb 11
Replying to @ohpointybird
You would need to make that case, rather than declare it. My argument is: so long as there is a commitment to education not proselytising, adherents are in a better position (a) to know the content of a Faith and (b) explain it as a living tradition, like an artist teaching art.
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Daniel Guenther Feb 12
You need to make the case that there is a commitment within SRE to teach the religion in a critical manner without proselytising. Good luck with that.
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John Dickson Feb 12
The Archbishop has publicly insisted SRE teachers are not to proselytise. And the guidelines in the teachers' manual make the same point. As for the tweet below, this is straightforward: of course educating children about Christ is an opportunity to make known the gospel. No prob
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The Aus. History Guy Feb 12
Replying to @johnpauldickson
As before you miss out one minor detail. What of those that are not if any faith? Why must their education stop so that SRE can begin? The specialist nature of SRE instructors would suggest that lesson in a church/temple/mosque environment would be more appropriate.
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The Aus. History Guy Feb 12
Replying to @johnpauldickson
Repeating the same material here John. You must acknowledge that there are those that simple do not accept your points as valid - clearly you do not like this, but that is the reality of a discussion regarding the appropriateness of religious involvement in public schools.
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Sandy Grant Feb 12
Not a must-have. But a good-to-have is the point.
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John Dickson Feb 12
Replying to @aushistoryguy
Of course, many without Faith (and so without connection to a church) choose to enrol in SRE, because it is felt that religion is important. Those in non-SRE/SEE are not 'stopping' their education, as if there's a class they should be at, which they are prevented from attending.
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John Dickson Feb 12
Replying to @aushistoryguy
Well, I'm waiting for a rebuttal using actual arguments. Perhaps you can now offer one. Let's do this slowly. Why not focus on my point 1. Do you agree or not? Have you got an argument against my claim about the culture-shaping importance of religion for a good education?
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John Dickson Feb 12
Yes, good enough to include in state schools, if parents agree.
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The Aus. History Guy Feb 12
Replying to @johnpauldickson
I do not believe that you have responded to a point in the discussion last month regarding your financial interest in this. Small though it is, it is an interest. I would like to remind you of the obligation of public school teachers to declare such benefits and conflicts.
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The Aus. History Guy Feb 12
Replying to @johnpauldickson
You are providing an argument here for the study of religions (plural) not a faith based study. Next point.
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religionsinschool Feb 12
1/n It's interesting that some of John's phraseology mimics what's in the brochure 'Study of SRE & its value to contemporary society', attributed to Zehavit Gross & Suzanne D. Rutland, handed out at end of 2018 Parliamentary Celebration of SRE ../2
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John Dickson Feb 12
Replying to @aushistoryguy
Didn’t I respond by telling you that I do, indeed, have a book used in Year 9 SRE. I’m quite proud it was picked up. Are you suggesting I have a financial motivation for defending SRE?
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