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Matt Asay May 13
Replying to @mjasay
I’m sure I’m missing something in here. For community-driven projects maybe it’s harder to manage/less needed, but for company-driven projects it seems like this would be a great new sales channel, while simultaneously giving a cloud a real competitive advantage
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msw May 13
Replying to @mjasay
For company produced products/services, it seems that the product they are selling is often proprietary and exclusive, with open source at the core (which is a fine business model). The pitfalls of open core persist in the cloud as in historic SW business models.
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Matt Asay May 13
Replying to @_msw_
Of course, there is the argument "why should I, the cloud company, pay for free open source?" And it's a totally valid stance. I just wonder if vendors would optimize those oss bits for a cloud that paid them back. Again, I'm likely missing something in this...
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msw May 13
Replying to @mjasay
Having trouble following... Are you using a particular population sample in your thought experiment?
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Matt Asay May 13
Replying to @_msw_
so if someone (a cloud vendor) came in and helped me monetize a chunk of that, I’d be really happy. Not sure what it would mean to “optimize” for a particular cloud, but if I was making more money with AWS, for example, I’d try to find ways to steer traffic there
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msw May 13
Replying to @mjasay
But in your thought experiment population, open core means that customer value is in proprietary extensions, and the primary sponsor of the open core does not have incentives to making the core project easier to manage at scale, or take advantage of any particular cloud feature.
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Matt Asay May 13
Replying to @_msw_
Probably, but if the $ from the open core outpaced the $ from the proprietary peel? Not sure but just thinking it through
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Jon Bock May 14
Replying to @_msw_ @mjasay @adamhjk
Another challenge is the business models of most cloud providers are generally high volume with lower margin. Those margins are viable because there's less money invested in core technology development, most of the R&D investment goes to operations & automation.
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jay 🗽☁️🤘 May 14
Jon, i disagree
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jay 🗽☁️🤘 May 14
seriously, have you seen what we're all doing out here, its's far beyond maintain and a lot of building new blocks for devs/ops/etc
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jay 🗽☁️🤘 May 14
this is across all three major clouds, if you aren't building you're dying
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Jon Bock May 14
Replying to @jaydestro @_msw_ and 2 others
Appreciated, no value judgement was implied. Building and running reliable services at cloud scale is enormously complex and I have huge respect for the engineers and engineering that the cloud providers have to deliver that--it's far too underappreciated.
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jay 🗽☁️🤘 May 14
big stuff, tons of innovation - it's coming out of all three of us because we know customers matter.
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Matt Asay May 14
Of course some of what’s being done is quasi-refactoring of the old world for a cloudy future, and that doesn’t necessarily look like “innovation” (i.e., “new stuff”). And there’s “making old stuff available on new cloudy infra.” Also not the most interesting.
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jay 🗽☁️🤘
a new way to host a database or something isn't so fun or interesting to all but god damn can it make a difference for someone struggling to manage scale/costs
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msw May 14
Replying to @jaydestro @mjasay and 2 others
I think it is fun *and* interesting.
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jay 🗽☁️🤘 May 14
Replying to @_msw_ @mjasay and 2 others
oh msw, i know just from reputation it is.
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jay 🗽☁️🤘 May 14
Replying to @_msw_ @mjasay and 2 others
i think im just referring to analysts/business folk
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Jon Bock May 14
Replying to @jaydestro @mjasay and 2 others
Absolutely, there's enormous value to the customer there. Interesting in its own way, although often to different people.
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jay 🗽☁️🤘 May 14
hence the struggle to just get them in your ecosphere - finding what's valuable to them has been the task for everyone in saas/cloud
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