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    Ian Goodrum‏ @isgoodrum 15 Jun 2019

    "The Chinese leaders are ineducable...blinkered by dogma and deeply ignorant of how a place like Hong Kong works." — British Ambassador Percy Cradock, colonial egotist and all-around prat Hong Kong and the extradition controversy. A thread.pic.twitter.com/VzlhLgvTfX

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      2. Ian Goodrum‏ @isgoodrum 15 Jun 2019

        Protests have been taking place in Hong Kong over the past week in response to proposed amendments to the two ordinances, primarily the Fugitive Offenders Ordinance (FOO). These amendments create a process for the transfer of fugitives to places with no formal extradition treaty.

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      3. Ian Goodrum‏ @isgoodrum 15 Jun 2019

        Because the jurisdiction of this change would naturally extend to the rest of China, meaning criminals could be sent to the People's Republic of China for trial, segments of the population opposed to the mainland have come out in force against the bill.

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      4. Ian Goodrum‏ @isgoodrum 15 Jun 2019

        Some have pointed out connections between these groups and United States subversion outfits like the National Endowment for Democracy.https://www.mintpressnews.com/hong-kong-protests/259202/ …

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      5. Ian Goodrum‏ @isgoodrum 15 Jun 2019

        Others have shared pictures of protesters expressing nostalgia for Hong Kong’s colonial period under British rule.pic.twitter.com/xyENnHX8U0

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      6. Ian Goodrum‏ @isgoodrum 15 Jun 2019

        While both these factors are worth examining, they don’t tell the whole story. There is sizable, genuine anti-China sentiment in Hong Kong that can’t be explained simply by foreign funding or a lingering love for the Union Jack.

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      7. Ian Goodrum‏ @isgoodrum 15 Jun 2019

        (By the way, that “Chinese colonists” picture is from a protest a few years back, not the current one — though the same people are likely involved now. Regardless, we shouldn’t be sharing inaccurate images, no matter how embarrassing they are.)

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      8. Ian Goodrum‏ @isgoodrum 15 Jun 2019

        But how does all this relate to extradition, and why wasn’t there an agreement between Hong Kong and the People’s Republic of China in the first place? One is legally part of the other, after all.

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      9. Ian Goodrum‏ @isgoodrum 15 Jun 2019

        As you might expect in any discussion of colonial history, it all comes back to the damn Brits.pic.twitter.com/7WVIN9eeMQ

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      10. Ian Goodrum‏ @isgoodrum 15 Jun 2019

        Pre-handover negotiations were fraught from the start. Thatcher’s team insisted they were at a disadvantage, since the old and busted colonialism had already been replaced by the new hotness of neocolonialism in most of the world.

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      11. Ian Goodrum‏ @isgoodrum 15 Jun 2019

        This is a bald-faced lie. Britain was contemptuous of China for having the temerity to want its territory back. Thatcher’s arrogance was such that for the first rounds of discussion her team insisted on advocating continued British administration, an absurd proposal.pic.twitter.com/mUTMOST5ef

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      12. Ian Goodrum‏ @isgoodrum 15 Jun 2019

        The Chinese respond with a perfectly fair question, enraging Ambassador Cradock and providing this thread’s header quote.pic.twitter.com/BhweVeOUWD

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      13. Ian Goodrum‏ @isgoodrum 15 Jun 2019

        Thatcher at one point demanded military options for the “defense” of Hong Kong. Definitely something a good-faith actor does.pic.twitter.com/7dTNfGRslX

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      14. Ian Goodrum‏ @isgoodrum 15 Jun 2019

        Since China’s No. 1 priority was the peaceful transfer of sovereignty, a number of concessions would have to be made. This included not only maintaining the colony’s capitalist system to appease Britain, but also forging alliances with local business elites to avoid panic in HK.pic.twitter.com/tfEc4yyhYe

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      15. Ian Goodrum‏ @isgoodrum 15 Jun 2019

        Extradition was a big sticking point. Rather than deal with the thorny question then, negotiators kicked the can. They made no arrangements for fugitive transfer to the rest of China, turning Hong Kong into a big criminal safehouse. (Hence, all those HK gangster movies.)

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      16. Ian Goodrum‏ @isgoodrum 15 Jun 2019

        Their reasoning was China’s court system was a set of phony Communist star chambers, incapable of meting out justice. But were they right? Is Chinese law so exceptional it's unthinkable to send fugitives there? And do China’s extradition practices vary from international norms?

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      17. Ian Goodrum‏ @isgoodrum 15 Jun 2019

        We’ll have to ask the countries who’ve already agreed to repatriate criminals to China. Here’s all of them.pic.twitter.com/tTKh6BfKvy

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      18. Ian Goodrum‏ @isgoodrum 15 Jun 2019

        You’ll notice traditional Chinese allies like Russia and Iran have ratified treaties, as have other terrible horrible no-good authoritarian states like…France, Spain, Portugal and Italy. Huh. Don’t they know any better?!

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      19. Ian Goodrum‏ @isgoodrum 15 Jun 2019

        Maybe they’re just confused. Let’s see what whacky stuff is in Chinese extradition law.

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      20. Ian Goodrum‏ @isgoodrum 15 Jun 2019

        The generally agreed upon set of standards for an extradition includes the following: The dual or double criminality rule, the specialty rule, the prima facie rule and the political offenses rule. Some also include a non-discrimination principle.pic.twitter.com/VmgVdN7vik

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      21. Ian Goodrum‏ @isgoodrum 15 Jun 2019

        Let’s start with the specialty rule. Not only has it been honored in Chinese extradition treaties, it’s in the law. Here’s evidence for both.pic.twitter.com/jzUowOR7MT

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      22. Ian Goodrum‏ @isgoodrum 15 Jun 2019

        Next is the “dual criminality” rule. Again, this basic principle is spelled out in Chinese law.pic.twitter.com/mj3OYd4YOj

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      23. Ian Goodrum‏ @isgoodrum 15 Jun 2019

        Now, the political offenses rule. This can also be found in the law, but the conditions for what constitutes a “political offense” are not specified. Which seems like it’s a point in the protestors’ favor.pic.twitter.com/p3Ov5QyRPe

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      24. Ian Goodrum‏ @isgoodrum 15 Jun 2019

        However! The political offenses rule is a relatively recent one, and the specifics of what one country sees as a political offense vs. another are rarely enumerated in extradition treaties. It is commonly left to discretion.pic.twitter.com/MzUslpo3dB

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      25. Ian Goodrum‏ @isgoodrum 15 Jun 2019

        Plus the application of this rule can be capricious. An Italian anti-fascist fleeing to the US after a shooting was considered a political escapee and therefore unsuitable for extradition. But a Palestinian did not get the same privilege, despite clear political motives at play.pic.twitter.com/itaXzemxTM

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      26. Ian Goodrum‏ @isgoodrum 15 Jun 2019

        The final major rule is the prima facie requirement. As before, this is clearly an observed practice in Chinese law.pic.twitter.com/P6RnoQ1fLm

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      27. Ian Goodrum‏ @isgoodrum 15 Jun 2019

        Lastly, the non-discrimination rule. Not only does this exist in the extradition law, it even includes political opinion — which further solidifies the political offenses rule.pic.twitter.com/2LNARFSOoR

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      28. Ian Goodrum‏ @isgoodrum 15 Jun 2019

        Since it follows major international rules for extradition, it makes sense China would have agreements with so many countries. But this does not happen without concessions.

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      29. Ian Goodrum‏ @isgoodrum 15 Jun 2019

        France, for instance, is vehemently against the death penalty and only agreed to a treaty in cases where China would guarantee the accused would not be executed.pic.twitter.com/ResVVpKXxQ

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      30. Ian Goodrum‏ @isgoodrum 15 Jun 2019

        This isn’t unique to France. As a matter of fact, another place that has had no problem sending criminals to China is…Hong Kong!

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      31. Ian Goodrum‏ @isgoodrum 15 Jun 2019

        You heard right. Before the handover, there wasn't so much concern trolling over human rights or the Communist Party, just unease about the death penalty. Like France, if there were guarantees of no execution there was no issue transferring fugitives.pic.twitter.com/CL3JSDquEK

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