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Darren Shepherd
At this point you're crazy to think you can manage k8s yourself. I'm sure you've got engineers who want to. It's shiny and fun now, but the novelty wears off quick. And then you are left with an old snowflake.
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Timothy St. Clair 20 Jul 18
Replying to @ibuildthecloud
Perhaps you can attend sig-cluster-lifecycle and help to make it better. There are lots of gr8 ongoing efforts, that do indeed make it much more manageable, and every cycle it gets better.
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Darren Shepherd 20 Jul 18
Replying to @timothysc
I think it's gotten much worse with each release. More and more options get added, old ways are deprecated (but still there). More functionality is being developed out of the core so now you just need to run more and more k8s manifests (more fun with tolerations).
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Matti Paksula 20 Jul 18
what about pharos?
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Darren Shepherd 20 Jul 18
Replying to @mattipaksula @kontena
Don't know a lot about it. But I should probably clarify that "run by yourself" I mean just pick up k8s upstream and have at it. You need to basically buy a product or service, which kontena pharos seems to be.
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K10g 20 Jul 18
Replying to @ibuildthecloud @drnic
Even with kubeadm and a team of 6 you can’t get upstream K8s production ready in 6 months. We tried. Hard Problems: - High Availability - Single Sign On - Multitennancy - Resource Isolation - Permission Management - Upgrades - Backups - Package Management - CI/CD Integration
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Ed Robinson 🇬🇧 20 Jul 18
Replying to @ibuildthecloud
If you are on one of the big three clouds, at this point you would need a very good reason not to choose the managed service... Even the most immature offering (EKS) is a much better option in almost every way...
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Darren Shepherd 20 Jul 18
Replying to @_errm_
I agree, but I really think AWS made EKS suck just enough so that you might try ECS/Fargate instead.
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cpuguy83 20 Jul 18
Replying to @ibuildthecloud
The question is, is paying a 3rd party to manage it really much better? I mean technically yes you shouldn’t have to worry about it, but is that really true?
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Darren Shepherd 20 Jul 18
Replying to @cpuguy83
i don't like it, but yes. k8s is too hard to run securely, kept up to date, and manage the ever growing list of "standard" addons.
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