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It didnāt go off the rails because we showed an example of building a game. Games are how the vast majority of programmers came to be. Thereās a lot of absolutism in this thread thatās backed by neither reality nor experience.
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13. Any program could be theoretically written on in any turing complete language, but it is not actually possible for humans to write a complex web app in brainfuck
Same applies for modeling paradigms for problems and data
Some problems suit a given paradigm, some don't
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14. One of the best things about Clojure (as an "immigrant community") is that people bring paradigms and patterns with them from other languages.
APL, J -- very cool ideas there from array programming langs. Can play in that headspace via core.matrix
youtube.com/watch?v=_h9TLJā¦
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15. Pattern matching in Erlang gives a totally different style for writing and thinking about recursive functions.
You get to step into that world thanks to Sean Johnson when you use core.match
youtube.com/watch?v=n7aE6kā¦
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16. Clojure as a programming language community might be what really good post-racial Fascism looks like.
Everyone is there because they really love and trust Rich's aesthetics and principles. Glorious leader.
Great ideas brought in from everywhere, but filtered through a lens.
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17. Bruno Latour's paper "Visualization and Cognition" is relevant to understanding the emergence of of Science in the west, and what works and doesn't work in programming languages, and in our sense-making institutions today
bruno-latour.fr/node/293 pic.twitter.com/mZw25ghUGB
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Conor White-Sullivanš§¢
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Ok, time for a break
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18. The best purpose of language in general, and programming languages in particular is to expand the domain of thinkable thoughts
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19. Excel is a purely functional reactive programming language and environment with a built in database.
It is far better than most languages and IDEs
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20. The folks working on Visual Programming Languages, Low Code, or No Code, to try to make programming more accessible to people are... I dunno, focused on not the best goal..
Rather than make it easier to do what you can do with JS, better goal is to make a better excel.
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Conor White-Sullivanš§¢
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21. Eve started in the right direction: combine the database, a UI for human I/O, and a nice declarative language
showed lots of promise @ 1st
youtube.com/watch?v=WT2CMSā¦
you could tell they went off the rails when the demo was how to build Flappy Bird.
futureofcoding.org/essays/eve/
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Conor White-Sullivanš§¢
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It's my shitposting thread.
Tbc I love and admire your work.
But my point is more actually that I disagreed with goal of eve from the get go.
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What went wrong with eve? Was it simply that you couldnāt figure out a business model?
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