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Deepa Seetharaman
This thread about what it means when Princess Leia can live even after Carrie Fisher has died has me confronting some new and 😳 ideas. Is the future about actresses licensing their youth? Will a dead actor win an Oscar?
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Deepa Seetharaman 30 Jul 18
Replying to @dseetharaman
Re dead-actor question.
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Olivia Solon 30 Jul 18
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The problem with this idea is that it’s super difficult to create an authentic performance from a digitally resurrected actor. You end up either stitching together old performances or creating a digital avatar mapped to another actor’s performance
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Deepa Seetharaman 30 Jul 18
Replying to @oliviasolon
True, at least at this point. It'll be interesting / unsettling to see how that tech evolves. There is clearly energy & $$$$ behind making this work...
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Olivia Solon 30 Jul 18
Replying to @dseetharaman
Agreed. I think the tech is a long way off from putting humans out of work though. Plus there's marketing value to having actors you can wheel out at movie premieres and press junkets
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Rex Sorgatz 30 Jul 18
Ooo, I dunno. Take a look at, say, this: That’s done with FREEWARE. The stuff the studios have now is amazing. Movies have already digitally youthified Johnny Depp, Sean Young, Robert Downey Jr, Kurt Russell, and Carrie Fisher. The tech is here.
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Olivia Solon 30 Jul 18
It's a cool trick for sure, but it wouldn't stand up in a high-definition movie scene. In the "youthified" cases you mention they had the real actor to deliver the performance & then aged their faces.
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Olivia Solon 30 Jul 18
With Carrie Fisher/Audrey Hepburn/Paul Walker it's an incredibly expensive/time-consuming way to deliver a derivative performance. The tech is here, but it's simply cheaper & easier to use humans at this point.
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Olivia Solon 30 Jul 18
I am basing this on interviews I did a while ago with the teams that resurrected Paul Walker & Audrey Hepburn. However, maybe they were exaggerating the complexity to protect their business interests...?
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Rex Sorgatz 30 Jul 18
I think the tech has accelerated wildly quickly with neural networks. DeepFakes wasn’t even a thing eight months ago, and the first ones were laughable, but now the verisimilitude is eerie.
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Olivia Solon 30 Jul 18
I agree, but I still don't think they easily plug into the business of movie making, which is -- at least for now -- dependent on the concept of celebrity. Although we could end up with digital celebrities, as we have YouTubers. But they won't be able to walk the red carpet.
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Joseph 30 Jul 18
Have you seen ? They dealt with this a few years ago
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Larry Rosenthal 30 Jul 18
Superman, Mickey Mouse, ALL of Pixar, ALL Video Game characters, the need for reality in entertainment has been getting lower and lower for 50 years
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Deepa Seetharaman 30 Jul 18
Love that show. Don't remember that episode tho.
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Olivia Solon 30 Jul 18
But you still have human actors voicing those characters or being mo-capped for video games...
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Rex Sorgatz 30 Jul 18
That’s fair, but if all of entertainment becomes IP universes (that’s the more important part of my argument) we’ll slowly substitute youthified versions of celebrities. In 15 years, will we want to see some unknown starlet as Daenerys or a youthified Emilia Clarke? I’m not sure.
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Olivia Solon 30 Jul 18
well by that point there will be the GoT reboot with an all-new cast & Emilia Clark will play a wise dragon trainer ;-)
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Larry Rosenthal 30 Jul 18
yes, but the real reason for the VIRTUALIZATION is that the SURFACE never changes. ITS a TRADEMARK. - a branded image. the show BUSINESS being paramount, pun intended. Walt Disney was the first to truly capitalize on this idea. as such steamboat Willie SHOULD have been Public
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Larry Rosenthal 30 Jul 18
Public Domain, but im not sure if that actually happened. Voices can be easily impersonated, and this has been a matter of fact in animation for decades. Puppeteering is the businesses future, no matter what anyone wants:) Complete commercial control , just like Facebook has ;)
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Joseph 30 Jul 18
*spoiler* the whole Secretariat plot-line, where he quits the movie but signed away his likeness so they finish it with him CGI’d and then he’s nominated for an Oscar for a movie he didn’t actually act in
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