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Brenda Romero
I am against any form of censorship, and support Valve in having an open platform.
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George Panayiotou Jun 7
Replying to @br
Thing is, it is harder now to find good stuff on Steam. Nice small games get buried under crap. 50 games a day, using the same model, on the same map, with the same bugs.
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Sophie H and 93572 others Jun 7
Replying to @br
itch is the most open platform I've ever used (and that includes steam). I think it's necessary to say "hey some things are harmful and they aren't welcome here.", I've seen and felt too much hurt of what happens when that isn't the case. That's not censorship.
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Brenda Romero Jun 7
Replying to @S0phieH
I acknowledge that hurtful, harmful, horrible things exist in art, movies, books, poetry, and music as well. I do see it as censorship, however.
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Brendan Keogh 🌈 Jun 7
Replying to @br
Not having a consistent platform policy on deliberately hateful material is not the same as being an open platform. Having a policy to not allow hateful material on your platform is not censorship.
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Brenda Romero Jun 7
Replying to @ffs_nonamesleft
In allowing anything, they will likely have to improve curation and discovery.
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Brenda Romero Jun 7
Replying to @BRKeogh
What is the definition of hateful?
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hoot boot Jun 7
Replying to @br
this is kind of a disappointing take. this isn't censorship. devs can take harmful work and sell it elsewhere. censorship would be governments prohibiting these works.
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Laura Kate Dale Jun 7
Replying to @br @BRKeogh
Here's an example, there was a game on Steam last year called "Kill all faggots" about murdering gay people at a pride parade. Steam took it down due to it being hateful content. It was not illegal. Presumably, under the new policy, it would have stayed on Steam.
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Brendan Keogh 🌈 Jun 7
Replying to @br
misogynistic, racist, homophobic, or transphobic is the main stuff I'm thinking of. Valve's statement essentially groups that sort of stuff alongside broader, not-hateful sexual content games as 'controversial' which is the main issue people are having with it.
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Laura Kate Dale Jun 7
Replying to @br @BRKeogh
In an example like that, the lack of a clear policy of removing clearly hateful content from their service is essentially tacit endorsement, or lack of rejection at least, of the hate enclosed within. If that game was on Steam, I would not be happy using Steam as a service etc.
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Laura Kate Dale Jun 7
Replying to @br @BRKeogh
They obviously have every right to keep that content on steam if they wish, I'm not calling for them to be forced by law to remove that kind of content, but equally I can feel that it's a terrible move for them as a company that risks me not supporting them going forwards.
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Brendan Keogh 🌈 Jun 7
Replying to @br
Like I'm 100% all for Steam being more open for small, individual, experimental, amateur, queer creators for sure! But every platform has to be specific about what sort of content they do and don't want to encourage and associate with.
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KrisJet Jun 7
Replying to @br @S0phieH
Blanket statements such as being against "any form of censorship" don't lend themselves well to Twitter. Child pornography is censored all over the world, and for good reason. What if someone made a game about child molestation? Would Steam distribute it?
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Brenda Romero Jun 7
Replying to @LaurakBuzz @BRKeogh
First, let me say that that game is completely offensive and horrifying to me. No question. What we don’t know, however, is whether that would stay on Steam. To me, that crosses a pretty clear line on hate speech.
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Sophie H and 93572 others Jun 7
Replying to @br
those things can still get made, and still be distributed by the people that make them. But a platform has no obligation to make space for them, and when they earn money from that stuff it's certainly not fighting censorship, it's just greed and promoting hate.
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Joe Wintergreen Jun 7
isn't that the line they've decided to erase today?
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Laura Kate Dale Jun 7
Replying to @br @BRKeogh
"allow everything onto the Steam Store, except for things that we decide are illegal, or straight up trolling" is Valve's new stance. straight up trolling is incredibly vague. Is having a hateful opinion, but one that some real world people hold, considered straight up trolling?
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Petr Martinek Jun 7
Replying to @br
Totally with you, last thing we need is a "ministry of good games" sitting on top deciding what I can and cannpt play ;)
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John Kane Jun 7
Currently I can still find a Ugandan Knuckles meme, "feminazi" or anti gay game in under a minute. With even less curation? Yikes. Itchio is far more permissive of adult content but is willing to block that stuff - I think it's a reasonable line in the sand to draw.
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