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Beyond Language Learning 24 h
I would say that foreign language acquirers are more likely to approach a native-like linguistic intuition if they hear a lot of comprehensible input before producing much output, and don't try to "filter" it through their L1 experience. See my blog & videos for more on this idea
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Beyond Language Learning 24 h
I would say that foreign language acquirers are more likely to approach a native-like linguistic intuition if they hear a lot of comprehensible input before producing much output, and don't try to "filter" it through their L1 experience. See my blog & videos for more on this idea
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Beyond Language Learning 2. velj
Odgovor korisniku/ci @ddeubel
Is the full presentation or slideshow that slide is from available somewhere? I think promoting student autonomy and self-directed learning is more relevant than ever given all the content and materials that are (and could be) directly available to language learners these days.
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David Deubelbeiss 30. sij
"You pretend to learn and I'll pretend to teach." This sums up much of explicit teaching and textbook "exercises" when it comes to language learning & teaching. (and of course learning happens, it always happens but how well is the question?).
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Beyond Language Learning 27. sij
Odgovor korisniku/ci @irinapravet
I agree, learners can find ways around things like a lack of content or courses. I suppose it's really more an issue of convenience rather than freedom. I think it'd be much easier for learners e.g. if there were more content available that's highly understandable to L2 beginners
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Beyond Language Learning 26. sij
Odgovor korisniku/ci @irinapravet
Re: 2), As with many languages, I found with Finnish that most courses & materials seem to heavily focus on things like grammar and offer little understandable experience listening to the language. This limits learners' freedom of choice. Have things changed much in recent years?
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Beyond Language Learning 22. sij
Another video I made based on the first "Mini-Story" from . In this one I ask many more questions after each sentence in the story: Most of the words are accompanied by visuals to help make it comprehensible to English beginners.
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Beyond Language Learning 22. sij
Odgovor korisniku/ci @rbrena @lingosteve i 2 ostali
e.g. I find RS & DL, while comprehensible, don't communicate much of interest or real meaning to users in the TL. Books graded to learners' levels esp. w/ audio & visuals could be very comprehensible and engaging. VR has even more potential, but it all depends on how it is used.
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Beyond Language Learning 22. sij
Odgovor korisniku/ci @rbrena @lingosteve i 2 ostali
I think another critical factor is: how much is the user getting target language input that they comprehend and is meaningful (ideally, interesting, even compelling) to them? More engagement doesn't itself mean they're getting much of this, but this factor can increase engagement
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Beyond Language Learning 16. sij
Odgovor korisniku/ci @michaelerard @DrAEHernandez
Certainly, I'm all for much more research on individual differences and other topics in second language acquisition as well as being for more and better opportunities for language learners. Pursuing one thing shouldn't negate other things.
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Beyond Language Learning 16. sij
Odgovor korisniku/ci @michaelerard @DrAEHernandez
I think while there are individual differences, a more supportive linguistic environment could do a lot to help "level the playing field" among adult learners. For example it seems very hard to find L2 content that's both highly understandable and interesting for adult beginners.
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Beyond Language Learning 31. pro
"Among the studies that the readers of this book might be roused to undertake, we hope that at at least one of you will take up the challenge to investigate whether an initial silent period does, in fact, ultimately lead to more native-like L2 phonology."
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Beyond Language Learning 30. pro
Odgovor korisniku/ci @GeoffJordan17 @judyldubois i 3 ostali
I agree I think there is a tendency among followers of comprehension-based approaches to make overgeneralizations. I don't think I dispute robust research findings in SLA as much as I dispute some conclusions that are drawn & I think more research on CI-based approaches is needed
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Beyond Language Learning 30. pro
Odgovor korisniku/ci @GeoffJordan17 @judyldubois i 3 ostali
I think the point that I was trying to make on there being gaps in the research stands but the way I communicated it in #4 was inaccurate and unintentionally overgeneralized or exaggerated things. I made a mistake.
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Beyond Language Learning 30. pro
Odgovor korisniku/ci @GeoffJordan17 @judyldubois i 2 ostali
"3 Learning is a social process. Acquisition isn't."? I never wrote that.
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Beyond Language Learning 30. pro
Odgovor korisniku/ci @GeoffJordan17 @judyldubois i 2 ostali
I only wrote #4. My point was that there's a lack of research on informal acquirers who get much L2 CI before much output or practice. While there's also research on naturalistic adult acquirers, like most classroom situations these cases seem to involve a lot of early speaking.
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Beyond Language Learning 30. pro
My English comprehensible input video channel listed on :
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Beyond Language Learning 30. pro
Odgovor korisniku/ci @GeoffJordan17 @judyldubois i 2 ostali
I think my other tweet (“overwhelmingly focused…”) was poorly worded. I find it very hard to discuss these issues with any proper nuance or detail on here, try as I might. What I'm trying to get across is that there are significant gaps in SLA research that ought to be addressed
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Beyond Language Learning 30. pro
Odgovor korisniku/ci @GeoffJordan17 @judyldubois i 2 ostali
Krashen touches on this kind of informal adult L2A with case studies like that of Armando in I think this is the tip of an iceberg that's missed in SLA research because of focus on classroom learning & formal education (much like the "WEIRD" bias in psych)
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Beyond Language Learning 30. pro
Odgovor korisniku/ci @GeoffJordan17 @judyldubois i 2 ostali
SLA research is biased in the sense that it has overwhelmingly focused on classroom-type learning situations, where L2 practice & output is usually required from early on. There needs to be more research on informal L2 acquirers, esp. those who got lots of CI before much output.
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