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Andrew Turner
Acting Consultant in Public Health in Wirral | Health Policy Lead | Trustee
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Andrew Turner 8h
Replying to @JoBibbyTHF @ONS and 2 others
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Andrew Turner Nov 30
Replying to @ADMBriggs @tim_esPH
Ha, crap, sorry, wrong link! You're very polite, but you must have thought "what's this got to do with our report...?" This is what I meant to post.. which actually does have lots of parallels with your work...
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Andrew Turner Nov 30
Replying to @ADMBriggs @tim_esPH
Tim, Adam, this might interest too - short and sweet and lots of parallels
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Andrew Turner Nov 30
Lots of parallels with upcoming / NIHP reforms
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Andrew Turner Nov 27
I wasn't, merely pointing out that as someone whose job involves routine enquiry, you will likely be less objective about it than others with no involvement in it. We all have our own unconscious biases, me included
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Andrew Turner Nov 27
I totally agree. I'm just questioning whether the ACEs model is an appropriate context to do it in - you were doing this long before the 2008 paper was even published after all.
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Andrew Turner Nov 27
Not my intention Warren, but you are the leading advocate for routine enquiry in the UK. I also disagree with Nadine Burke Harris on screening, but I don't doubt either of your expertise, commitment or intentions, only the use of the ACEs model in such work.
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Andrew Turner Nov 26
And I'd be happy to endorse routine enquiry if there was actual evidence for it's efficacy and a lack of harm, but I've been asking Warren for that since 2016 and yet to see any. His practice has also changed in response to criticism, no longer relies on the ACEs questionnaire
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Andrew Turner Nov 26
Johnny I'm not criticising being trauma-informed, I never have, I'm for that; I'm criticising the use of ACEs model to do it.
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Andrew Turner Nov 26
I didn't say that. I was talking about Warren specifically because he benefits financially from the ACEs model, it's literally his job.
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Andrew Turner Nov 26
The work is very balanced, I'd recommend it
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Andrew Turner Nov 26
Replying to @mellojonny
Aye, well, Warren and I don't agree I'm afraid. I consider what he does to be screening but he doesn't. Plus he has skin in the game - not sure I'd agree it can be objectively balanced when written by someone with a vested interest in promoting it
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Andrew Turner Nov 26
Replying to @andykturner
They've changed it now...
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Andrew Turner Nov 26
Loads of (literal) question marks over which Tier areas are in in this written statement - wrong draft published? Last minute decision? Were the double '??'s more difficult to decide on than the single '?'s...?
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Andrew Turner Nov 24
Agree. So what's the point in the ACEs model?
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Andrew Turner Nov 24
That's not the same as "nobody seriously believes ACEs are deterministic" - they really do.
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Andrew Turner Nov 24
Would you stick to the 10 defined 'ACEs'?
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Andrew Turner Nov 24
I think that reflects a lot of the criticism finally landing. There have been *a lot*of people seeing it (and using it) as predictive, particularly in the States - Nadine Burke Harris and the Centre for Youth Wellness send people for treatment just for having 4 ACEs
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Andrew Turner Nov 24
Actually lots of people do... hence the calls for screening.
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Andrew Turner Nov 24
Fair enough you don't like him, but there is nothing else in that list that even comes close to 'trolling'. Some really fine work. published a great piece a while ago too
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