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Jonathan Pillow 5. sij
Odgovor korisniku/ci @BrianRoemmele @bradpwyble
Thanks Brian, but can you point to a specific paper that contradicts the Cook & Wilson 2010 result? The list you posted includes papers about tool use, bottlenose dolphins and horses in mongolia, but not obvious which are relevant to chimps vs. humans for this task. Thanks!
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Brian Roemmele 6. sij
Odgovor korisniku/ci @jpillowtime @bradpwyble
Jonathan, thanks for asking. I think the researcher Tetsuro Matsuzawa, PhD, Distinguished Professor, Kyoto University Institute for Advanced Study, has some of this in english, quite a bit is in Japanese. I am very certain the professor would love to address your questions.
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Brian Roemmele 6. sij
Odgovor korisniku/ci @jpillowtime @bradpwyble
The contact page for the professor:
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Brad Wyble 6. sij
Odgovor korisniku/ci @BrianRoemmele @jpillowtime
Thanks Brian. I've been in contact with Tetsuro through email about this and he wasn't able to answer our questions to my satisfaction (he said that for the chimps "no training is needed", which can't be true). If anyone has better luck, I'd like to hear it.
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Jonathan Pillow 6. sij
Odgovor korisniku/ci @bradpwyble @BrianRoemmele
Likewise—thanks for the contact info, . However, your tweet said the 2010 study had been "discredited", which is a pretty strong statement. For such a claim it would be nice to be able to point to a specific reference, if you have one.
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James Wu 6. sij
I’m much more worried that 1) Matsuzawa 2013 did NOT have this figure, but cites it as such. As far as I can tell it’s not by Matsuzawa 2) Matsuzawa 2013 does not at all advance a Wernicke/Broca replacement theory, but a prefrontal WM development discussion
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James Wu 6. sij
After briefly skimming this any many others in the timeline, I get the idea that has a worrying pattern of making threads with author citations on claims the original scientific authors did not make
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Brian Roemmele 6. sij
James, interesting assertions. It would be helpful@for you to cite the precise aspects of the above mentioned scientists that are inaccurate.
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James Wu 6. sij
The scientists are not inaccurate (though some are controversial), your claims are, and you've put their names on your own claims. Do you dispute this? Did Matsuzawa 2013 make this figure? Or did you make/find it elsewhere? Why did you put his name on it?
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Brian Roemmele 7. sij
James, your academic dishonesty has to be pointed out. It is unbecoming of a @UA PhD. Here is Professor Matsuzawa, own presentation that you claim did not produce the image. It also goes a long way to discredit just about all of your musings. Good day sir.
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James Wu
You did not literally doctor an image, and I’m sorry to question the specific image you screencapped from a lecture on YouTube. You still are making claims unsupported by original research, and not answering those questions except by deflecting questions to the original author.
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James Wu 7. sij
I have added corrections to all threads where I questioned the image provenance. I again apologize for jumping to suspicions when I saw figures that were not in any of your cited papers. I still wait for sources that support your claim that Cook&Wilson 2010 is “discredited”.
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Brian Roemmele 7. sij
James, thank you sir. I appreciate it. The video I cited does reflect all of the points I made by the researcher himself. Thus a robust review of the video should help. Additionally he presents new elements of his research that refutes that paper you cite. One paper vs. 30 years.
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