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The scientists are not inaccurate (though some are controversial), your claims are, and you've put their names on your own claims. Do you dispute this?
Did Matsuzawa 2013 make this figure? Or did you make/find it elsewhere? Why did you put his name on it? pic.twitter.com/9eLgTx3xMu
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Brad Wyble
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It's a practice effect though. It turns out that people do even better than monkeys given similar training.
doi.org/10.3758/PBR.17…
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Brian Roemmele
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Brad, that paper was discredited by 30 years of research at this university.
Here are some of the 1000s of studies—with “trained” humans.
langint.pri.kyoto-u.ac.jp/ai/index.html
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Jonathan Pillow
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Thanks Brian, but can you point to a specific paper that contradicts the Cook & Wilson 2010 result? The list you posted includes papers about tool use, bottlenose dolphins and horses in mongolia, but not obvious which are relevant to chimps vs. humans for this task. Thanks!
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Brian Roemmele
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Jonathan, thanks for asking. I think the researcher Tetsuro Matsuzawa, PhD, Distinguished Professor, Kyoto University Institute for Advanced Study, has some of this in english, quite a bit is in Japanese. I am very certain the professor would love to address your questions.
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Brian Roemmele
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The contact page for the professor:
matsuzawa.kyoto/cv/en/
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Brad Wyble
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Thanks Brian. I've been in contact with Tetsuro through email about this and he wasn't able to answer our questions to my satisfaction (he said that for the chimps "no training is needed", which can't be true). If anyone has better luck, I'd like to hear it.
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Jonathan Pillow
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Likewise—thanks for the contact info, @BrianRoemmele. However, your tweet said the 2010 study had been "discredited", which is a pretty strong statement. For such a claim it would be nice to be able to point to a specific reference, if you have one.
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James Wu
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I’m much more worried that
1) Matsuzawa 2013 did NOT have this figure, but @BrianRoemmele cites it as such. As far as I can tell it’s not by Matsuzawa
2) Matsuzawa 2013 does not at all advance a Wernicke/Broca replacement theory, but a prefrontal WM development discussion pic.twitter.com/Vy5TxM4fo4
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James Wu
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After briefly skimming this any many others in the timeline, I get the idea that @BrianRoemmele has a worrying pattern of making threads with author citations on claims the original scientific authors did not make pic.twitter.com/mYIa4GZVnS
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Brian Roemmele
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James, interesting assertions. It would be helpful@for you to cite the precise aspects of the above mentioned scientists that are inaccurate.
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Brian Roemmele
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James, your academic dishonesty has to be pointed out. It is unbecoming of a @UA PhD. Here is Professor Matsuzawa, own presentation that you claim did not produce the image. It also goes a long way to discredit just about all of your musings. Good day sir.
youtu.be/O6FUMnCVM3k
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James Wu
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You did not literally doctor an image, and I’m sorry to question the specific image you screencapped from a lecture on YouTube. You still are making claims unsupported by original research, and not answering those questions except by deflecting questions to the original author. pic.twitter.com/E2faMxMqR6
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Rosy F 🇪🇺
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My two cents, I played this game about ten times last week, it’s much more difficult than you think! While talking I could hardly get the first two numbers right, best score was 7/9 without anyone around after 10sec of memory formation.
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James Wu
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I totally agree! I’d think that:
1) It’s not an easy game
2) you’d improve on it with a few months training
3) not everyone can do it perfectly even with training
4) not every chimp can do it either
I wouldn’t even rule out 5) chimps *could* be better than humans on task! BUT:
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