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Allen Holub
This is a really insightful and important observation. Business and dev working together means that everybody is just a team member (with specialties they bring to the table). The fact that the PO designation exists means that business still sees itself as seperate.
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Audrius Dec 18
Replying to @allenholub
Wait a sec. PO is not a proxy to the business, is it? To my understanding, PO is a role to assess value of work and decide on priorities and shape the product. I believe you need a dedicated person in the team for that.
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Allen Holub Dec 18
Replying to @AAsadauskas
Well, the Scrum Guide talks mostly about the backlog (not the work). It does say "For the Product Owner to succeed, the entire organization must respect his or her decisions." Can't happen in a bifurcated business unless the "business side" considers the PO to be one of them. 1/
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Neil Killick Dec 18
Replying to @allenholub
I don't see it that way. If anything it's an acknowledgement that "business people & developers must work together daily". Given that there will always be far more demand around the business for the team's services than they have capacity for, having a representative makes sense.
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Allen Holub Dec 18
Replying to @neil_killick
Yes, but I'd like to see less separation and more collaboration.
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Vittorio Dec 18
Replying to @allenholub
The mere PO proxy is probably too common around the industry, and it is a misconception and a disfunction. IMO the PO is not the clarification hotline, or a funnel. S/he is the strategist of the product, it merges tech and business putting them together with focus on the Vision.
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Allen Holub Dec 18
Replying to @vbeltracchi
I agree. The Scrum Guide actually doesn't have anything to say about the PO acting as a proxy. That's something that was added by mysterious forces I don't understand. Everybody should be collaborating with customers.
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WEBryant Dec 18
Replying to @allenholub
Our CIO said we should stop referring to “the business” and the resounding answer was that will happen when we stopped getting referred to as “I.T.” We’re all in this together...
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דָנִי 武姜 Dec 19
Replying to @neerraw @allenholub
nice one, there is only "we" no more "us & them"
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Viktor Grgic Dec 18
Replying to @allenholub
The PO is NOT a proxy for the business. Those proxies (definitely a widespread problem in so called agile transf.) are merely previous team leads, PM, BA, etc. repackaged into a misunderstood role of a PO. A real PO is nothing like this. PO is a decision maker from business.
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Viktor Grgic Dec 18
Replying to @allenholub
Even with PO coming from business, it is not standing in between users and teams. PO is NOT so called and often mentioned voice of the customer. Teams hear customer voice from the source.
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