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NoMan2000
Time for a full thread on Nathan Phillips. I do not know whether or not he was a Marine. Without a FOIA, this will not be possible. I do know that his claim that he is a Marine combat vet during Vietnam is false though.
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NoMan2000 Jan 20
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Phillips made very specific claims, although tracking each individual source down is difficult. I will try to collect them here.
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NoMan2000 Jan 20
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1: Did Phillips claim to be a Vietnam veteran? "I was in Vietnam times and when I was in the Marine Corps times, that's what I was. I was expendable. " I was in Vietnam. Seems straight forward.
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NoMan2000 Jan 20
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BBC also calls him a "Vietnam Vet", and this has been touted around in several news reports.
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NoMan2000 Jan 20
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2: What did he claim to do? "I'm a veteran," says Phillips, "a Marine Corps infantryman in the '70s" So he's claiming to specifically be in combat arms during Vietnam.
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NoMan2000 Jan 20
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3:How old is he? Both the 2000 articles on him and the 2019 articles on him give him the same birth year. … Nov. 26, 2000, age 45. 2000 - 45 = 1955. … 64 years old, January of 2019. 64 - 2019 = 1955
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NoMan2000 Jan 20
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So we have the following information: He was born some time in 1955, he claims to have been to Vietnam, and he claims that he was an Infantryman in Vietnam. Here's where the problems begin.
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NoMan2000 Jan 20
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He claims to have joined when he was 17. This would put him at 1972. (1955 + 17 = 1972). The problem? The last Marine combat unit left Vietnam on June 25, 1971.
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NoMan2000 Jan 20
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Throughout 1970 and early 1971, other Marine units left Vietnam in succeeding increments . On 14 April 1971, III MAF Headquarters departed for Okinawa, leaving behind the 3d Marine Amphibious Brigade . Two months later, the brigade was deactivated . Residual Marine forces
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NoMan2000 Jan 20
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in Vietnam consisted of approximately 500 Marines, most of whom were performing essentially liaison, advisory, staff, and guard functions . Approximately 60 officers and men were advisors with the
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NoMan2000 Jan 20
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Vietnamese Marine Division which played a large role in the defensive actions incidental to the North Vietnamese 1972 Easter offensive and in the later South Vietnamese counteroffensive." (page vi)
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NoMan2000 Jan 20
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The time to complete Marine infantry training at that time was 13 week boot camp, followed by 8 weeks of ITR training, followed by 52 days of ITB training, (we'll say 7 weeks of training). Grand total, that's 28 weeks of training.
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NoMan2000 Jan 20
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Let's go back to his age. If the reporting is accurate (insert lol here), then he is 64. His birth date between those two known points (Nov. 26, 2000, age 45. 64 years old, January 20 of 2019) If we're really generous on this calculation, we can put him born in 1954
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NoMan2000 Jan 20
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Knowing that it must be after Jan 20 and before Nov. 26. The most generous date we can give is tomorrow, Jan 21. Assuming he turned 17 on Jan 21 of 1971 and immediately joined the Marine Corps, he would have then needed to complete 28 weeks of training.
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NoMan2000 Jan 20
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That would take us to August 5, 1971, which is past the June 25, 1971 date that all combat Marines were out of Vietnam.
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NoMan2000 Jan 20
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That is also ignoring all the other wild coincidences that would need to be true. Statistics show that five men killed in Vietnam were at the age of 16. 12 were seventeen.
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NoMan2000 Jan 20
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Out of 58,220 dead soldiers. That means that the total populace of soldiers under the age of 18 is .03% of the total fighting populace. Multiplying .0003 * 2,700,000 total we come up with roughly 810 people who were under the age of 18 in Vietnam.
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NoMan2000 Jan 20
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So as a remarkable set of coincidences, At the tail end of the war in Vietnam, he either forges his birth certificate or gets his parents permission to fight in an incredibly unpopular war.
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NoMan2000 Jan 20
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Then he manages to arrive on deployment after all of this right as all the other Marine combat units were leaving.
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NoMan2000 Jan 20
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Here's a timeline: You can see after 1969, what became known as "Vietnamization" was a process of "redeployment from South Vietnam to the United States", a total of 16 operations that move troops from Vietnam to America.
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