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疆土哉!疆土哉! Nov 14
Replying to @TheTrueTankMan
"THE WORD TERRITORY DIDN'T EXIST IN THE CHINESE LANGUAGE BEFORE THE 1890'S." Bruh. 😂😂😂
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疆土哉!疆土哉! Nov 14
Replying to @TheTrueTankMan
He says "zhongguo" is a recent invention by the nationalist movement of the early twentieth century. Fuck me, who woulda thunk all those pre-Qin philosophers talking about 中国 were actually early twentieth century. Goddamn this guy is thick. 😂
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疆土哉!疆土哉! Nov 14
Replying to @TheTrueTankMan
Hayton claimed there was no clear border of China before the Europeans gave them the concept. Carl pulls up a Song dynasty map from around 1100: "there was that issue of the Great Wall in the north that stretches all across the entire border of China", laughing between each word.
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疆土哉!疆土哉! Nov 14
Replying to @TheTrueTankMan
Hayton now claims that just because something evolves over time, in this case a concept, each stage is arbitrary. Lmao, the absolute state of China-watcher academia. 😂
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疆土哉!疆土哉! Nov 14
Replying to @TheTrueTankMan
Carl pulls up a map by an Englishman and Hayton starts riling on about how Japan is the same color as China so does it belong to China? Bruh, this guy is dumber than I initially thought. 😂
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疆土哉!疆土哉! Nov 14
Replying to @TheTrueTankMan
Also, it's funny how Carl allowed him to speak without any interruption and so far this Hayton clown interrupted Carl during his introductory note at least three times. The great researches doesn't like being challenged, I see. 😂
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疆土哉!疆土哉! Nov 14
Replying to @TheTrueTankMan
Carl slams him with the Battle of Hastings example and asks if England ceased to exist and he starts squirming. Haha, what a glorious sight. This is too good to exist.
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疆土哉!疆土哉! Nov 14
Replying to @TheTrueTankMan
"There is no English state. England is a cultural concept." God, he doesn't even realize how much he debunked himself hahaha
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疆土哉!疆土哉! Nov 14
Replying to @TheTrueTankMan
"You quoted two books at me that are more than twenty years old now. The world has moved on." "Oh, I'm citing a lecture that is from 2018, Bill, don't worry." Comedy Central should pick this shit up, it's 🔥🔥🔥🔥😂
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疆土哉!疆土哉! Nov 14
Replying to @TheTrueTankMan
Bill says maps are only ideas of the physical places they represent and thus cannot be taken seriously. Lmao, geez, academia, man. Next time I'll just go traveling willy-nilly because "maps are just ideas of what someone wants the world to be for them." 😂😂😂😂
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疆土哉!疆土哉! Nov 14
Replying to @TheTrueTankMan
In any case, this is such a stupid truism I'd expect a first year philosophy student to make it when they discover phenomenology for the first time, but not some supposed academic with supposedly many-many years of research in the field lmao.
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疆土哉!疆土哉! Nov 14
Replying to @TheTrueTankMan
By the hour mark it becomes apparent Hayton doesn't really have any good arguments so his part devolves into just repeating "they made it up, they had no idea" and Carl is just trying to get information through this tirade of inane nonsense. It's really-really jarring tbqh.
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疆土哉!疆土哉! Nov 14
Replying to @TheTrueTankMan
What is also becoming ever more jarring is this clowns incessant interjection when Carl is speaking. Carl allowed him to spew his inane nonsense and he keeps interrupting whenever it gets challenged. So all the time.
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疆土哉!疆土哉! Nov 14
Replying to @TheTrueTankMan
Carl challenges him on the "Han ethnostate" bullshit and Hayton says Liang Qichao and Sun Yat-sen were racists. Um, hate to break it to the mighty academic, but two people, even if racist, don't make up China, not even the government, even if SOME of their ideas were influential.
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疆土哉!疆土哉! Nov 14
Replying to @TheTrueTankMan
"No state called 中华 or 中国 existed until the 1912." "三十一年,夏,六月,齐侯来献戎捷,非礼也,凡诸侯有四夷之功,则献于王,王以警于夷,中国则否,诸侯不相遗俘。" 《春秋左传·庄公·庄公三十一年》 Poor ancient Chinese didn't even know they lived in 中国. 🥺😭🙏
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疆土哉!疆土哉! Nov 14
Replying to @TheTrueTankMan
When he tries to force Carl's hand on the 五族共和 it becomes so obvious he doesn't understand not just Chinese, but how the language actually works. Imagine trying to explain to this dude the relationship between 文言文 and today's 普通话。😭😂
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疆土哉!疆土哉! Nov 14
Replying to @TheTrueTankMan
It's even funnier when he tries to pass off speaking better Chinese than Carl and telling him what 族 supposedly means according to his limited knowledge of Chinese. Simmer down, milk tea boy, you're WAY tf out of your league. 😂
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疆土哉!疆土哉! Nov 14
Replying to @TheTrueTankMan
Another obvious fact is Hayton's complete ignorance of Chinese historical, philosophical, political writing. He sure read stuff written about those things - mostly by orientalists and racists etc - and maybe one bad translation of the 道德经 lol, but that's probably all.
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疆土哉!疆土哉! Nov 14
Replying to @TheTrueTankMan
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疆土哉!疆土哉! Nov 14
Replying to @TheTrueTankMan
Hayton: "Nobody called themselves Han before the Manchus showed up." Liu Bei:
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疆土哉!疆土哉! Nov 14
Replying to @TheTrueTankMan
God, near the end when he smugly questions Carl if he can read the original texts in classical Chinese. Broham, you did nothing throughout this debate other than talks shit, and when Carl debunked you, you kept interrupting all the time. Maybe simmer down and humble yourself.
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疆土哉!疆土哉! Nov 14
Replying to @TheTrueTankMan
So this actually was illuminating, but that's mostly due to Carl and also illuminating in how self-contradictory Hayton became at times, as well as how tone deaf academia can get when they are challenged. It's sad in a sense, but very-very telling. Speaks volumes.
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疆土哉!疆土哉! Nov 15
Replying to @TheTrueTankMan
How it started vs. how it's going.
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