Twitter | Pretraživanje | |
Jonny Miller 🐬 31. kol
This line from Rumi feels painfully relevant for humanity right now: “Sit, be still, and listen, because you're drunk and we're at the edge of the roof.”
Reply Retweet Označi sa "sviđa mi se"
Sarah McManus 20. ruj
Odgovor korisniku/ci @jonnym1ller
One of my favorite quotes! I made a papercraft version of this for our meta-monastery space, sometime last year:
Reply Retweet Označi sa "sviđa mi se"
Sarah McManus 21. ruj
Odgovor korisniku/ci @jonnym1ller @Malcolm_Ocean
Made in collaboration with , actually, and we've used that "edge of the roof" phrase to remind ourselves to take a breath when getting into challenging emotional territory!
Reply Retweet Označi sa "sviđa mi se"
Lulie 21. ruj
Even with that qualifier, I'm still wondering, "How is this not simply authoritarianism?" I'm all in favour of getting to a nice, quiet place internally. But emotions=drunkenness (lack of self-trust!), commands ("sit down"), and scary threats ("edge of the roof")…? Alt interp?
Reply Retweet Označi sa "sviđa mi se"
Hunter Bergsma 21. ruj
Odgovor korisniku/ci @reasonisfun @SarahAMcManus i 2 ostali
I wouldn't say that it is "simply authoritarianism" ... but it is a command; issued from a *hopefully* wise, level-headed, logical leader/guide — toward someone who is not thinking clearly — acting against their best interests, or against the health of the society/environment.
Reply Retweet Označi sa "sviđa mi se"
Hunter Bergsma 21. ruj
Odgovor korisniku/ci @reasonisfun @SarahAMcManus i 2 ostali
And both people can be you. It's a form of authority, although, upon being forced to confront one's own "drunkenness", I imagine they freely choose to sit. I respect your urge to root out coercion, and to replace it with intrinsic values, agency, sovereignty, interest, flow, etc
Reply Retweet Označi sa "sviđa mi se"
Lulie 24. ruj
If they freely chose to sit, they wouldn't need to be told to sit down. The information about the ledge would be sufficient. 'Receiving updates' (persuasion) is being conflated with "subjugating one's own judgement to someone else (who isn't 'drunk')" (coercion).
Reply Retweet Označi sa "sviđa mi se"
Hunter Bergsma 25. ruj
Odgovor korisniku/ci @reasonisfun @SarahAMcManus i 2 ostali
I like the distinction between persuasion and coercion. In ever circumstance where we might be mindlessly coercive, or mindlessly coerced, we should instead consider the intermediary of persuasion.
Reply Retweet Označi sa "sviđa mi se"
Hunter Bergsma 25. ruj
Odgovor korisniku/ci @reasonisfun @SarahAMcManus i 2 ostali
However, in the mantric analogy, part of being emotionally/perceptually "drunk" is that one cannot adequately perceive the ledge of the rooftop.
Reply Retweet Označi sa "sviđa mi se"
Sarah McManus
Oh! This is interesting. It relates to self-trust, and also to the question of, how do you develop a non-naive trust in what Zak Stein would call a "teacherly authority"? How do you trust someone with your lack of knowledge? Zak Stein transcript:
Reply Retweet Označi sa "sviđa mi se" More
Sarah McManus 25. ruj
Odgovor korisniku/ci @HunterBergsma @reasonisfun i 2 ostali
Because I know that I am the sort of being who can experience perceptual impairments, cognitive distortions, blind spots. And so I need some context in which I can hear, "Hey, pause and look around, recalibrate." I need to be able to take in feedback, in order to learn.
Reply Retweet Označi sa "sviđa mi se"