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Richard Dawkins 20 Aug 14
Ireland is a civilised country except in this 1 area: You'd think the Roman Church would have lost all influence.
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Aidan McCourt 20 Aug 14
Replying to @RichardDawkins
994 human beings with Down's Syndrome deliberately killed before birth in England and Wales in 2012. Is that civilised?
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Richard Dawkins
. Yes, it is very civilised. These are fetuses, diagnosed before they have human feelings.
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Jonathan Langdale 20 Aug 14
I agree with Dawkins, except for qualifying feelings as human-only traits.
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Ben Fraser 20 Aug 14
the woman had been raped, was suicidal and had gone on hunger strike. She was forced to have a cesarean. Sick.
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Jonathan Langdale 20 Aug 14
If an animal experiences "fear" is that a human feeling or a feeling?
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James Newbury 20 Aug 14
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Jonathan Langdale 20 Aug 14
If "feeling" defined by statically similar chemical release in brain, these are not necessarily human-only.
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୧(╬ಠ益ಠ)૭ Bear-Ass 20 Aug 14
Aidan. Go to several foster homes that take care of mentally ill children. This is the alternative. enjoy.
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Jonathan Langdale 20 Aug 14
Furthermore, humans are not the only animal with a brain.
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Jonathan Langdale 20 Aug 14
Fear is a chemical release in a animal (human and non-human) brain.
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୧(╬ಠ益ಠ)૭ Bear-Ass 20 Aug 14
emotions, memory, and sensations of pain are subjective to cognitive self awareness
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James Newbury 20 Aug 14
that's far far too vague. Any chemical release?
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Jonathan Langdale 20 Aug 14
Emotions, memory, and sensations occur during non-conscoius sleep modes.
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Stanley Taylor 20 Aug 14
The fetus of a pig is a pig; fetus of an elephant, elephant. Fetus of a human being not human? What is it then
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Richard Dawkins 20 Aug 14
Precisely my point. Unless you are a vegan (most Pro-"Lifers" are not) you are in no position to object to abortion
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Jonathan Langdale 20 Aug 14
Fear is a specific type of chemical release, not just any release.
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InYourFaceNewYorker 20 Aug 14
I honestly don't know what I would do if I were pregnant with a kid with Down Syndrome. Real ethical dilemma.
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Richard Dawkins 20 Aug 14
Learn to think in non-essentialist ways. The question is not "is it 'human'?" but "can it SUFFER?"
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Jonathan Langdale 20 Aug 14
I do not object to abortion, I agree. Only object that you implied experiencing feeling is human-only.
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