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HelgaTruepel 7 Oct 18
Replying to @Vrijschrift @FFII and 6 others
If they license there is no problem
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Vrijschrift 7 Oct 18
Art 13 paragraph 2a says rights holders do not have to conclude licensing agreements. In that case internet platforms have to "ensure that unauthorised protected works or other subject matter are not available on their services".
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HelgaTruepel 7 Oct 18
Replying to @Vrijschrift @FFII and 6 others
Yes, but not necessarily by using upload filters
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JeWe 9 Oct 18
I haven't heard of any practicable and realistic alternatives to yet, but I'm looking forward to being corrected. But so far I found the following article quite helpful:
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HelgaTruepel 9 Oct 18
You don‘t have to use upload filters, humans can decide to put down unauthorized content
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Vrijschrift 9 Oct 18
Notice and take down is the current system. Under article 13 platforms are liable for users' uploads and have to "ensure that unauthorised protected works or other subject matter are not available on their services". Ex ante.
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HelgaTruepel 9 Oct 18
Therefore they should license in cooperation with collective management organizations, CMOs. That is the purpose of Art.13. If they don’t want to pay authors they shouldn’t show their content.
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Vrijschrift 9 Oct 18
You go in circles. We already discussed, and you agreed, that under article 13 par 2a rights holders do not have to grant a license.
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HelgaTruepel 9 Oct 18
But if there is no license, than. there is no permission to let the unauthorized content being uploaded. The aim is to remunerate authors for their work if they want it.
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Vrijschrift 9 Oct 18
Indeed. If the rights holders do not grant a licence, platforms have to filter. With false positives, harming freedom of expression, and harming the infrastructure of independent artists.
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HelgaTruepel
Don’t you want to pay authors for their work or don’t you want to respect their moral rights?
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Foundation for a Free Information Infrastructure 11 Oct 18
On the contrary. The FFII wrote about human rights-based compulsory licenses with just remuneration in the digital field. This solution doesn't have the issues article 13 has. See:
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Vrijschrift 9 Oct 18
Now that it is clear you are in favour of upload filters you go ad hominem?
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Mafnar 9 Oct 18
Ther aren't usable alternatives for filters, it would be nice of you, Mrs. Trüpel to finally confess this truth instead of your tries to evade this truth.
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