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Dr. NerdL💀ve
Minor pet-peeve for the day before I get started on my shit, based on the Motherboard article about that Google memo.
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Dr. NerdL💀ve Aug 6
Replying to @DrNerdLove
I don’t have anything to say about the memo itself that other people haven’t said (and better) but there was ONE thing that stood out.
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Dr. NerdL💀ve Aug 6
Replying to @DrNerdLove
Not in the memo, but in people’s response to it:
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Dr. NerdL💀ve Aug 6
Replying to @DrNerdLove
This isn’t really about the memo itself but more in how people treat others, esp. other people who they fundamentally oppose.
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Dr. NerdL💀ve Aug 6
Replying to @DrNerdLove
First: the positioning oneself as being rational. In cases like this? It’s enshrining “This doesn’t affect me” as “value-neutral”.
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Dr. NerdL💀ve Aug 6
Replying to @DrNerdLove
It’s easy to say “This is is a topic that should be debated” when it’s not something that will touch you at all.
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Dr. NerdL💀ve Aug 6
Replying to @DrNerdLove
The superiority of Genesis vs Super Nintendo is a debate. EMACS vs Tin is a debate. Virtue of flat currency vs. fiat currency: debate.
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Dr. NerdL💀ve Aug 6
Replying to @DrNerdLove
“Your gender means that you’re biologically incapable of doing this job and should never have been hired” isn’t a fucking debate.
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Dr. NerdL💀ve Aug 6
Replying to @DrNerdLove
(Especially when it’s someone who doesn’t understand biology, gender roles, etc. saying this)
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Dr. NerdL💀ve Aug 6
Replying to @DrNerdLove
It’s easy for someone who has no skin in the game to say it should be “debated” because the outcome doesn’t affect them at *all*.
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Dr. NerdL💀ve Aug 6
Replying to @DrNerdLove
Whereas for all of the women working at Google, the debate is “Do you have a right to be here in the first place?”
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Amanda Marcotte Aug 6
Replying to @DrNerdLove
It does in the sense that it's easier to get jobs if there's a widespread belief in male superiority.
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Dr. NerdL💀ve Aug 6
Replying to @DrNerdLove
Again: easy for someone else to say “Well all ideas should be up for discussion”. Not unless that also includes “we should skin & eat him”
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Dr. NerdL💀ve Aug 6
Replying to @DrNerdLove
I mean come on. It’s easy to protest being skinned and eaten on social media. That’s just virtue signaling. Debate takes time.
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Dr. NerdL💀ve Aug 6
Replying to @DrNerdLove
Let us also be real: this person doesn’t actually mean “debate”. Just as when eggs demand debate on Twitter, they don’t mean debate.
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Dr. NerdL💀ve Aug 6
Replying to @DrNerdLove
They aren’t asking for a structured discussion about whether someone has the biological capability to write code. They want to gish-gallop.
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Dr. NerdL💀ve Aug 6
Replying to @DrNerdLove
This isn’t going to be about changing minds or opinions. This is about playing to an audience and making enough noise to shut the others up.
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Dr. NerdL💀ve Aug 6
Replying to @DrNerdLove
This is why it’s so often framed as “if you won’t discuss this with me, your ideas are weak”. It’s about endurance and frustration.
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Dr. NerdL💀ve Aug 6
Replying to @DrNerdLove
In this case “whomever quits participating first” is framed as the “loser”. Not “there’s no point b/c this isn’t in good faith”.
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Dr. NerdL💀ve Aug 6
Replying to @DrNerdLove
These “debates” inevitably turn into goal-post shifts and fire-hose torrents of bullshit (gish-galloping) until the other person leaves.
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