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Clive Bates
These people have gone insane. There is no other way to describe it.
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Mark Weiss Jun 2
Replying to @Clive_Bates
Or they get funded by Tobacco Taxes and want to keep the gravy train rolling.
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Alan Beard Jun 2
Replying to @Clive_Bates
Has Finland always been at the extreme end of Western Tobacco Control, or is this a more recent phenomenon?
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Jukka Kelovuori Jun 2
It started going downhill in 2010 when the aim of an 'endgame' was included into the law and further in 2016 when all nicotine product (except NRT) were included.
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Alan Beard Jun 2
Cheers Jukka, just found this . How much influence has this guy got now ?
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Jukka Kelovuori Jun 2
These NGO's in Finland are funded from proceeds of the national gambling monopoly. So public money yes, but not taxes.
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Jukka Kelovuori Jun 2
Pekka Puska is Finland's Chapman. He's an MP and has the ear of the media. Former head of Finland's "CDC".
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Tony H #ScrewEU Jun 2
Replying to @Clive_Bates
Not insane, they just want people to keep on smoking to keep them in employment.
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Stuart Jun 2
I don't believe that. They honestly believe a nicotine free world is desirable & achievable & this goal justifies lying to get there.
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Phil Jun 2
From the WP article: 'He spearheaded the North Karelia Project (as Director and Principal Investigator) for preventing cardiovascular disease 1972–1977, during which time, cardiovascular disease mortality fell by 80 per cent.' One would think this would be more well-known.
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Jukka Kelovuori Jun 2
Check out ASH Finland's website (2 latest articles ie. Roadmap and Endgame)
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Jukka Kelovuori Jun 2
Yeah he's known for that in Finland and maybe in some international PH circles.
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Phil Jun 2
80% reduction in mortality in 5 years? Really?
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Alan Beard Jun 2
Echoes of the Helena miracle?
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INNCOorg Jun 2
Alan - Note inclusion of Pekka Puska who led Group at FCTC COP7 ~ and is extraordinarily influential in Finnish TC
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Jukka Kelovuori Jun 2
And he's the chairman of the board of ASH Finland.
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Jukka Kelovuori Jun 2
I don't really know much about the project but here's an article.
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Phil Jun 2
Thanks. 'But by the early 2000s, the number of deaths of working-age Finnish men from coronary heart disease had plummeted 75 percent. In North Karelia, the number was even better—82 percent' 30 years not 5, *working-age* Good, old, reliable Wikipedia
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Phil Jun 2
Only 3 countries' rates were higher than Finland's at start. (Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania)
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Jukka Kelovuori Jun 2
"Puska's miracle" might indeed be like Glantz's Helena or Chapper's plain packs. I found a lot of criticism. The intervention was only in North-Karelia, but CVD mortality was decreasing similarly in other parts of Finland (without an intervention) Also:
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